The future of the web - what does it look like to you?

[dimitarvp]

@jordan0day

The major browser vendors all make so much money on advertising and tracking, it will be hard to get them to support some new model that makes it harder for them to track users and use/sell that data for advertising.

IMO that’s the main hurdle on the path of the evolution of the web today. Too much vested interests for corporations to allow any radical changes.

EDIT: Also this:

@dwahyudi

About the “web” itself.
Like every other aspects in this real-world. Money and politics will always win.

Say what you want to say, but I apologize… Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft will continue their domination. When one of them fall, other greedier corporation will take their place.

I am sad to report that this has been my experience every time I have read on these matters – our entire history shows forced authority wins every time. If you really make a good compelling case and the public is with you… then your sentiments can outright get outlawed, as a last resort. I see no way for us to be able to retort at all.

[dimitarvp]

@tallakt

There is one flaw in your logic. «working web today» has a lot greater value than «working web tomorrow». So you could not expect many of today’s producers of web content to pay a premium for allowing the user in 100 years to read the page

There is a flaw in your logic too – you assume Joe is talking about direct financial incentives while he was actually talking about preserving knowledge for the future generations (@joeerl correct me if I am wrong).

Nobody cares if Gmail is gonna be around in 100 years. But I for one do care that all the scientific and art works of today are preserved in the said 100 years.

[OvermindDL1]

@dimitarvp

Nobody cares if Gmail is gonna be around in 100 years. But I for one do care that all the scientific and art works of today are preserved in the said 100 years.

Yeah this is something that terrifies me to be honest. We make a lot of information now, but we also lose a lot of information now…

[amagdas]

I think this is an interesting direction as well: https://solid.inrupt.com/
We have to go to a decentralized web pretty soon(P2P/Beaker) otherwise there won’t be a web soon. We already start seeing apps that work only in specific browsers or not being able to copy and paste simple text from web pages.

[l00ker]

I’m glad someone mentioned this. I watched this talk a couple of years ago by Carl Hewitt and it really started me thinking. At the time, it basically had me thinking that we’re only a few good data breaches away from all the collected data becoming a real detriment to those who possess it, paving the way for something like the “Islets” that Carl talks about.

I had read a little bit about what Tim Berners-Lee was working on with Solid and it seems that the two ideas are very similar. If Solid takes off, maybe it would be beneficial getting in early by building a Solid server with Elixir? Maybe Solid PODs & apps perhaps?

Erlang Factory SF 2015 Keynote - Carl Hewitt - Actors for CyberThings

[StefanHoutzager]

Very interesting indeed. Here Tim Berners-Lee explains more about solid.

Tim Berners Lee: Thoughts On The Internet Evolution

[AstonJ]

Another one tweeted by Tim:

https://fortheweb.webfoundation.org/principles-1

[Cochonours]

I tried to use ocsigen a few times during the last 4 years since I wanted to code in OCaml again and the theory is nice. The problem is that it severely lacks in user friendliness as it’s done by researchers so not a damn is given about that. It’s more a proof of concept IMHO (unfortunately).