AstonJ
@Garrison’s comment in another thread reminded me of this post by Joe:
With the big five exerting more control than ever, new (AI) players entering the fray, and *increasingly draconian internet laws being passed all over the world more and more people want to take back control of the internet or to find an alternative - with the original promise of the net in tact and something fit for a modern free world.
*details/articles
So with the call for a new or freer internet being at an all time high, what kind of role do you think Elixir could play in its creation from a technical standpoint?
Maybe:
- Peer-to-peer networks?
- Local mesh networks?
- Blockchain based domains with decentralized DNS systems?
- Decentralised VPNs?
- IPFS (InterPlanetary File System)?
- Pluggable Transports?
- Something else?
Is a free and open web important to you?
Can you think of ways in which Elixir can help?
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mudasobwa
You have too many “obviously” splattered across your statements in places where they don’t belong.
I am on Linux since 1999 because of the UX. The problem of Linux is marketing, not UX. Apple managed to sell a crap to people who care about anything but UX. Ubuntu tried to sell the UX and miserably failed. That’s why.
Citation needed. I bet they took even more pathetic share of market than Linux did.
sanswork
“Nobody cares about UX” is obviously incorrect → “I am on Linux since 1999 because of the UX”
Ignoring your own contradiction of yourself there are a reason companies have spent billions on improving UX over the past decade because they see a return on that investment.
I’ve been using Linux since 95 also because of the UX in that it was nicer at the time than FreeBSD which I was using before but it was still terrible, I still had to worry about messing up a setting and burning out my screen or bricking my computer with a bad lilo config. I volunteered with KDE in 2001 and was fully one of the believers that Linux on the desktop was coming next week. But compared to any of the commercial OS’ the UX is awful for normal users. Still is which is why despite working all day on a linux server I do it from a terminal running in MacOS.
Revolut Revenue and Usage Statistics (2026) - Business of Apps theres one neobank with more customers than the largest retail UK bank and in the UK alone 1/7 people have an account with them.
Thats one, there are several more in the UK alone. In Australia where I live now there are half a dozen that have grown so fast half of ended up being bought by the major banks and turned into nicer apps for them basically.
If you’re posting on this forum you are already in an extreme niche of people as far as computer interest goes. Your tastes and concerns in no way reflect the general population.
mudasobwa
Sure. I understood it from my very first comment in this thread. Now I beg your understanding yours neither does.
Revolut is fine in spite of their terrible UX, not because of it. Revolut won a battle against silly kiosks with dirty signboards “Curenci chenge.” Banks didn’t even notice its existence. And still, when trading dollars against euros I have no ability to do anything in regard to UX: no stats for the last weeks, no comparison to global trade exchange rates, nothing. That’s not a good UX in my understanding.
That sentence alone greatly defines the growth value of good UX. I buy new glasses every single time I need to refresh my views, too.
sanswork
I think you should probably do some more research on UX, I feel like given your examples there might actually be a misunderstanding here.
Which is why I’ve been saying this whole time. People will choose based on better UX.
mudasobwa
Last time I killed time reading Britannica, UX stayed for User eXperience. Has something changed since then?
Yeah. “Thuth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing wrong with this, except that it ain’t so,” as Mark Twain said almost two centuries ago.
derek-zhou
That’s beyond mere hackers like you and me. Plus even if interchange sorta works with the big guys, self-hosters will still get the second class treatment because the big guys embrace and extend.
A self host world simply will not happen. However, I still self host, not to save the world but to save myself.
mudasobwa
Depends. I just launched an MVP of https://amotion.city (“location-aware social platform that transforms how people discover, share, and interact with places around them”).
I am currently looking for an investor to get from MVP to product, and in the list of requirements there is full fediverse integration, full transparency and no hidden user data collection whatsoever (besides photo geolocations which is crucial for running the app in the first place.) I currently support Spain, Austria, and GB, so for US it would not be of much value, but that’s not the point. The point is we might actually have a vote in what sign the first derivative of a web value has.
plcholder
whats the stack?
Also how do you plan to monetize if i may ask
mudasobwa
Phoenix, obviously. S3 for photos, Postgres for everything else. Flutter for mobile.
The user initially has somewhat restricted rights, they might be extended by doing activities, or by buying a subscription. Also, Milestone 2 assumes connecting professional guides and other tourism-related services for some fee. I do not plan to get rich with it, I just want it to pay for its development and runtime.
plcholder
self hosting will eat centralized players cakes in a few years, mastadon and bluesky didnt fail because of the tech , they failed because both platforms are lame asf and everyone loves drama and sticks to x