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								<p>I could not agree more. <code>@spec</code>s are really quite ugly.</p>
<p>I suggest putting a blank line between your <code>@spec</code>s and function heads.</p> 
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<p>… and the one you use happens to be one of the tools that does this by default, which means that this feeling you have of them not being important while developing, other than informing the programmer, is practically speaking misguided.</p>
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<p>I think you are missing my point. I never said they were not important. They are there to provide info, to you or to tools. That’s important.</p> 
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<p>Yes, I think that’s a concise summary. Hence the question in my previous post: What’s the goal here? I think making your own modification to ElixirLS is trivial and the only upkeep you’d need to do personally is to git pull their changes whenever you feel like it. Considering the minor changes you’d make for this conflicts are extremely unlikely. At “worst”, you’d make a PR to make the syntax highlighting of <code>@spec</code> configurable.</p> 
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<p>Because type-hinting in PHP actually kind of sucks for a really long time (<a href="http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.iterable.php" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">although they are fixing it</a>). If you want to pass in an iterable object, or an array you couldn’t enforce a type if you want the users of your library to be able to use either, even though either are iterable. You can typehint for array or ArrayAccess but not both. You could type hint for an iterable object or an array, but not both. So, there are cases where enforcing types in PHP can kind of suck for your users. A docblock in PHP is similar to a <code>@spec</code> in elixir. You can have static analysis, IDEs can provider autocomplete and hints, etc. but they aren’t used by compiler or execution.</p> 
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<p>Exactly why you should use a language with better types!  Great example!  ^.^</p> 
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<p>This feels so heavy and much harder to read. Strong/static typing is the feature I really miss in Elixir. Esp. from a security standpoint I really like to know what types of data get in/get out.</p>
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<p>+1, this is much better, concise and readable</p>
<p>btw does anybody know where I could find Elixir grammar/formal spec if it exists ?</p> 
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<p>I think the sources of the <a href="https://github.com/elixir-lang/elixir/blob/master/lib/elixir/src/elixir_tokenizer.erl" rel="nofollow">tokenizer</a> and the <a href="https://github.com/elixir-lang/elixir/blob/master/lib/elixir/src/elixir_parser.yrl" rel="nofollow">parser</a> come closest to what you are asking for.</p> 
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<p>This feels so heavy and much harder to read.</p>
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<p>+1, this is much better, concise and readable</p>
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<p>Again this relates entirely to what you are <em><strong>familiar</strong> with</em>.</p>
<p>I used to feel the same way until I realized that declaring names <em>and</em> types in the same definition forced multi-line signatures much faster. Some might argue that keeping names and types separate is actually <em>more</em> concise - similar to how header and row information in a table interact, The spec focuses on typing while the function header focuses on naming - sacrificing <em>easy</em> parameter name/type correlation for focus.</p>
<p>The first approach declares a <em>function type</em> while the second approach types the parameters and the return value - producing a function type as a side effect. (Sometimes “preferences” can get in the way - accept whats there and move on).</p> 
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<img alt="" width="24" height="24" src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/user_avatar/forum.elixirforum.com/peerreynders/48/5826_2.png" class="avatar"> peerreynders:</div>
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<p>Again this relates entirely to what you are familiar with.</p>
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<p>Yes, indeed. As is your post <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>If you think that this:</p>
<pre><code>@spec some_function(SomeType.t()) :: SomeOtherType.t()
def some_function(some_arg)
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<p>is easier to read, more concise and less error-prone  than:</p>
<pre><code>def some_function(some_arg :: SomeType.t()) :: SomeOtherType.t() do
end
</code></pre>
<p>So be it. Let’s agree to disagree.</p>
<p>What if you had 40 000 functions ?  Would you write 40 000 separate type defs, including misc. pattern matching function prototypes ? Aren’t you afraid your code base  might quickly become bloated ?</p> 
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