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<p>Any upfront development time invested in Elixir is very quickly alleviated by all Elixir apps needing a lot of load to even start lagging noticeably… whereas a Rails apps gets brought down to its knees much, much earlier. But I believe you already arrived at the same conclusion.</p>
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<p>We can also take advantage of Elixir to make existing large Rails systems faster and more reliable, saving money on hosting and removing ops pain: <a href="https://www.cogini.com/blog/presentation-incrementally-migrating-large-rails-apps-to-phoenix/" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Incrementally migrating large Rails apps to Phoenix</a></p> 
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								<p>Trust is key indeed, but I feel that’s crossing a boundary that many aren’t willing to cross; for a bunch of suits “trust is an expensive luxury they cannot afford” and so the discussion breaks down before it even started. But then again, looking at it through the my 38 year old eyes, that’s a huge win because it’s an early filter. And there’s still plenty of money to be made if you do NOT work with those suits.</p>
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<p>That is exactly what I am doing. I am well aware most aren’t willing to risk a 100% rewrite from the get go so I demonstrate to them how one can accelerate the speed and reduce hosting costs incrementally. Trouble is, many aren’t even willing to try. But again, that’s an early filter – I used to want to make any work relationship work, nowadays I am much more willing to find red flags early and make an informed decision if it’s worth my while or not.</p>
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<p>Ours was java at xerox (dealt with that java horror for over 8 years…), and no stored procedures whatsoever, an ancient database that I don’t think exists anymore, oh and loading hundreds of megs of XML every boot-up very very very slowly (and reboots happened at least once a day).</p>
<p>(EDIT:  Oh, and the XML liked to corrupt itself routinely, either by the last good chunk of the file just vanishing when it saved it out or things like <code>"</code> not getting encoded (they <em>made</em> their own xml parser/writer, no I don’t know why).  I had a perl script that ran over that 100+meg XML file and fixed those issues in ~5-10 seconds…)</p>
<p>Oh, and backing up to CD-RW’s (which had a tendency to not recover from, which happened irritatingly often since there were ~40k setups of this stuff…)…</p>
<p>Oh, and perl, like all the perl ever, from the old SCO UNIX setups to the newer Windows setups, they still used perl <em>everywhere</em> (perl loaded the XML a <em>LOT</em> faster than java, wtf there too…).</p>
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								<p>I’m in Victoria BC, and am doing my first elixir in production app here right now making our internal service discovery and control panel in elixir for the read side, python for the write side. We’re a python shop, so I can’t really justify going all in on elixir, but it’s killing for a fast read side. I’m technically part time here so I have some capacity if you are looking for contractors in the northwest. I do Python mostly (and of course the necessary JS), but am branching out into Elixir, Clojure, ClojureScript, and Erlang. PM me if you’d like, I’m also trying to get a functional programmers meet going here in Victoria.</p> 
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								<p>Heya, I made a meetup group, and then shortly after that the place I’m at went into getting-acquired-overdrive so I haven’t got the first one happening yet, but here’s the link, join up and lets make it happen!</p><aside class="onebox allowlistedgeneric" data-onebox-src="https://www.meetup.com/victoria-functional-programmers/">
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								<p>I’m in Victoria, BC too and am getting started with Elixir and Functional design myself after many years of PHP and a few of Node.  I was hoping to find some other developers to have discussions, do some pair programming and other peer mentoring, ideally in the same time zone or better yet in driving distance [ no ferries <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> ].</p>
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								<p><a class="mention" href="/u/bmitch" rel="nofollow">@bmitch</a> his a very clean code developer, thereby if he accepts the challenge you will have good pair programming sessions with him <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>I can vouch for him, because we worked together and I got him the bug of clean code, and he gave me the bug of unit testing <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>I hope you guys can get Elixir to flourish in that beautiful corner of the Earth <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Excitied to see this thread resurrected!</p>
<p><a class="mention" href="/u/alanvardy" rel="nofollow">@alanvardy</a> I’ll send you an email.</p>
<p><a class="mention" href="/u/supamic" rel="nofollow">@Supamic</a>  Great to see another Victoria area person interested. I’ll send you a DM</p> 
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