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<p>I never got on with docking my MBP though. The screens I had access to were always inferior to the laptops own, and by the time you’ve hooked up a monitor, keyboard and screen it felt like a waste as you may as well be using any old computer.</p>
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<p>Me too. Unless you go to an office where they already have idle Apple monitors and good keyboards/mice then the whole thing “get a stand and carry your peripherals” never really did appeal to me. I practiced it several times and wasn’t bad but as you said the experience is subpar and makes you wonder what are you doing there and why aren’t you working on your PC in the first place.</p>
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<p>I’ve been primarily looking at Ryzen chips so far. I hadn’t considered single-core Turbo performance, so maybe that’s something I’ll review.</p>
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<p>Ryzen, EPYC, Threadripper are all very good. I have a few colleagues that lately jumped on AMD laptops and they are very happy. They say their compilation speeds improved by factors of 4 or more. Crazy stuff. I feel that AMD is catching up to Intel on all fronts (except maybe gaming) very quickly.</p>
<p>As an aside, one of the things that makes the MBPs so good is that they choose CPUs where the single-core Turbo performance is solid. Truthfully though, for like 99% of your desktop work it’s not needed. Only when your machine needs to crunch something right now, and fast. But IMO one can live well enough without it as well.</p> 
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<p>That’s the sort of thing I was looking for… As I mentioned in the first post, this question all came from an experiment with a powerful VPS that didn’t really deliver meaningful improvements. I wondered whether that was the case generally or just in this instance. I think that ^^^ may have answered my question!</p> 
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								<p>By all means though, do your own research! Not all AMD chips are magic. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Oh I know! I’ve been doing a fair amount of reading on them vs. i7 and even Xeon chips. The fact that most support ECC means that a like for like comparison between Intel and AMD swings even more towards the Ryzen chips, of course assuming ECC is worthwhile in a given use case.</p> 
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								<p>Blink does look interesting:</p>
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<p>But why not just get a MacBook Air?</p>
<p>OS X spaces are great to run apps in full screen mode on even the smallest of screens, you can use four finger swipe to switch from space to space or use hot corners to quickly view all spaces. I uses spaces extensively and couldn’t live without them now.</p>
<p>New MBA (and Mac mini and iPads!) are meant to be announced at the Apple event at the end of this month - and the major benefit is you have a full computer with everything on it - your photos, files, etc <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a1c41c89c299189a3f85edfeb4973563d8bac781.gif?v=15" title=":023:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":023:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>My hot corners are set up as follows:</p>
<p>Top left - Mission Control<br>
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Top right - Show Desktop<br>
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								<p>I use an Intel NUC i3 for most of my work. When I got it I had 8gb of ram which was not enough, I pushed that to 16 at some point and I find it quite nice to work with. It is small, quiet and works quite well. While it is not a speed demon by any means it does perform quite well.</p> 
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<p>Fully agreed. I am aware some people are on a budget and found themselves only having iPads one day – to them I have nothing to say except that they are heroes for making it work!</p>
<p>For everybody else though, it’s basically willingly crippling yourself. A MacBook Air with 4GB RAM is still quite useable if you only have 10 or so browser tabs and do light programming or design, and you will be just fine. Or just get the MacBook from 2015 – 12" screen, 512GB SSD, dual-core 1.2-1.3GHz, 8GB RAM. Quite adequate for a lot of people, I even know frontenders using it and swearing by it. I still own it but want to sell it – the keyboard is not adequate for my needs and 12" for work is just a no-no. I <em>might</em> have bought it out of boredom 2.5 years ago. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Having in mind that going for a MacBook Air or the 12" MacBook refurbished is basically the same as a good iPad Pro, I see no reason to limit yourself to the iPad.</p> 
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								<p>I bought an 11” 2008 MacBook Air when my old 17” MBP was being temperamental and breaking every few weeks (ate a motherboard and 6 HDDs before I gave up). It was a great backup and in many ways much better than the MBP thanks to the SSD.</p>
<p>I never replaced the MBP and continued using the Air. It’s what I learnt all my web development on and built my first few websites on. I thought it was great.</p>
<p>It was only when I took a full time job and the company supplied me with a fully specced 2015 MBP did I realise how much the Air had been holding me back.</p>
<p>My wife bought me the iPad Pro a few years ago when the company was all over the place and the spiteful investor was talking about pulling the plug, letting everyone go and taking back all the company computers. I had decided that it would have been a good compromise if I was let go - I’d be able to do some freelance work from if - and nice to have around if things settled down.</p>
<p>Personally, despite the lack of a “proper” OS, I feel the iPad Pro is a better computer. For me, building a Linux desktop is about trying to get that same ‘upgrade’ I had when I moved from the 2008 MacBook Air to the 2015 MacBook Pro.</p> 
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								<p>Well, it’s true that the iPad Pros are much faster than most laptops nowadays. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>However, you’re not utilizing its power since you only work remotely on it, right?</p> 
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<p>In an admittedly non-scientific and basic test I compared compilation times from a clean state. The $20 server built my current project in about 35 seconds, but surprisingly the $320 took 22 seconds. I was expecting a much larger change to be honest. I rarely have to run a full build, so those 13 seconds a few times a month definitely aren’t worth $300.</p>
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<p>You will see diminishing returns because of network latency. I use a first gen retina 2012 MB Pro and a 2016 MB Pro, both with 8 gigs of ram, and I run around 500 tests in circa ~5 seconds.</p>
<p>I also find that using structs when the DB isn’t necessary to be effective in reducing overall time.</p>
<p>If I wanted to change, I would consider a new MB Pro, but they’re very pricey.</p> 
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