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<p>I am not saying that you should avoid pipes and always use assignments, but I do think you can go too far with long pipe sequences.</p>
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<p>You can go too far even with short pipe sequences! For example, I have seen some code that does this:</p>
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<p>which I am not a big fan of! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>What I was really poking fun at was how far they had gone with the <code>Kernel.-</code> to be available to use a pipe.</p>
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<p>Just to clarify, because it is slightly ambiguous, <code>Kernel.-</code> was not made available to be used as a pipe. All of our auto-imported functions are defined in Kernel. In this way it is similar to <code>erlang:'-'(1)</code>, except Elixir considers all operators to also be valid identifiers (i.e. they don’t require quotes around them).</p> 
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<p>Oh fully realise this! Sometimes you need to be able to access all the built-ins as “normal” functions and not as operators, but perhaps not here. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smile.png?v=15" title=":smile:" class="emoji" alt=":smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>You yourself already adressed this two sentences later but in my eyes I should do my best to write production-grade code even for my hobby projects. I can stick to ugly and hardly-understandable code until I make something hard [for me] to eventually work but my next session immediately starts with refactoring – which also improves the understanding of any code you refactor anyway.</p>
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								<p>An interesting discussion. I also don’t like <code>Kernel.-(time_elapsed)</code> in a pipe.</p>
<p>I think it is difficult to say which length on a pipe is good an which is bad. Because it depends on the purpose of a pipe and the transformation of the data.</p>
<p>If I have to review the code snippet we had start with I would suggest something like this.</p>
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								<p>It probably would be a good candidate for <code>with</code> construct rather than pipe operator for readability and possibility of adding constraints/error handling/crashing when we want to.</p>
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								<p>How would your <code>with</code> approach look like?</p> 
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								<p>Wow: it’s really interesting to see this discussion. I wrote a whole post on/around this: <a href="https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/to-pipe-or-not-to-pipe.html" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Erlang, Elixir &amp; RabbitMQ resources - Erlang Solutions Blog</a></p> 
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<p>I think it is difficult to say which length on a pipe is good an which is bad. Because it depends on the purpose of a pipe and the transformation of the data.</p>
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<p>I don’t think it is the length per se which is the problem. I think that when you are transforming data from one type to another it can be help clarity and understanding by naming things using variables.</p> 
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