I’m not using elixir as my full time job, mostly I do go, ruby, and recently clojure. Leaving elixir for personal and freelancing projects. Does that making me as moved away from elixir?
Sounds like you are using a ton of tools, and amongst them Elixir. That is the way to go in my opinion. The question is more about projects and companies who have used Elixir and then moved to something else, and explore the reasons why one would do so.
I have to say I am somewhat upset and baffled by your comment Jeramy 
Just a few weeks ago I edited a misspelling of someone’s username from a post you made (a misspelling which could have been construed as insulting/hostile) and you objected to my doing so. I spent some time explaining why we intervene in situations like this (sometimes it’s simply to improve a post or correct a simple mistake, other times it might be to avert a potential confrontation or bad feeling from occurring). I did not reprimand you, or even bother you with it by PM’ing you - I simply put it down to a simple error on your part or one by auto-correct and rectified it hopefully before the other person saw it. So on the one hand you are complaining it’s hostile here, but on the other you want to be allowed (even if inadvertently) to be hostile/rude towards others? That just doesn’t make sense to me, and is upsetting because I spent some time explaining that we (i.e the mod team and many members of the forum) go to great lengths like this to ensure the community is not acrimonious, but friendly and welcoming.
I also agree with @wanton7, I think you may be confusing hostility with something else. Why? Because this forum has over 100,000 posts, and if hostility really was an issue it would be very easy to provide us with example after example of it occurring. Since such remarks can be damaging and unfair on the community, I really would prefer them to be substantiated with examples whenever possible - even if to help us properly identify and get to the root of the problem.
Having said that, I would love to explore what it is that is making you feel unhappy.
If by hostility you mean a resistance to your ideas (or the ideas of others) then this is not really people being hostile - it is simply others not liking or agreeing with those ideas. Sometimes the issue feels a lot worse when lots of others air their opposition (and this can, unfortunately, seem like one is being ‘ganged up’ upon, though that’s not the case at all - just people wanting to air their approval/disapproval just like everybody else).
If by hostility you mean others debating issues profusely, again this is not them being hostile - it could just be that others are as passionate about their stance as you are about yours.
On the first point, as I covered previously in this thread, I would personally see it as a failure on my part if I felt I have a really really good idea but was unable to get others on board. Sometimes I try (and try!) again, other times I weigh up whether it’s worth investing more time and effort into it - and sometimes I am convinced by others that my idea isn’t so great after all.
On the second point, now I agree that this can at times be very frustrating! But it can also be fun, interesting, and above all (for me anyway) educational. I have learned SO much from the extremely talented people here in the discussions and lengthy discussions we’ve had. I bet lots and lots of other people have too, because we simply don’t find them elsewhere (such as on more clinical platforms like Stack Overflow where discussions are routinely closed as ‘off-topic’). This is also what I imagine is one of the biggest differences from going from a chat room, to a forum platform - because forums are just much better equipped to host more in-depth discussions (because of features like being able to quote/multi quote, post links to references, etc). I’m also guessing this is the main issue, or the root of the issue, that you and Talentdeficit are referring to.
So what can we do?
The first thing I want to say is, please remember that none of us are perfect (you’re not either remember - remember the potentially insulting misspelling of the other member’s name? 
) and please also keep in mind that many people coming here will simply not have the kind of experience under their belt to know when a debate is starting to become draining on others. It takes you having to got to that stage yourself to realise it may be an issue for others.
We could lead by example? Whenever I have been involved in a debate, I generally try not being pedantic and only comment on (or correct) something where I feel it is important to do so - not every single or every little thing - but just what matters to move the discussion forward with the overall aim of progress. Often the minor details do not matter, the important things do. If it ever gets to the stage where I feel I am unable to convince the other person, I will generally lay out my position on the topic and then either leave the discussion or indicate how others might be able to form the same conclusion as me.
Apart from setting an example, I do feel it will be difficult to moderate or plan for this kind of thing - because doing so may be stifling. The last thing we want to do is make users feel like they need to continually think about every little thing they can or can’t say - that would hurt the flow and impact the enjoyment of being part of such an active community.
I actually think we have the balance pretty good right now - because remember that it is a delicate balance. However, we can always do better, and I would love to hear your ideas on how we could improve things. All I ask is that when putting forward any suggestions you keep in mind that we wouldn’t want to venture too far from conversations flowing naturally, and we wouldn’t want to have too many rules and regulations; participation on a forum should generally come naturally and be ‘easy’ 
And how do you prefer static typing overt dynamic typing :)?
I see https://safe-stack.github.io/ is using https://fable.io/ (F# → JS)
This project is interesting
Interestingly this doesn’t seem to be my experience at all. Judging from the job boards, Germany is easily the second country with most Elixir jobs posted after the US, and I felt myself fortunate to be able to see so many Elixir jobs around when I’m looking for a job. In fact I only applied for Elixir dev jobs and got some offers already, which I feel would be hard if I were not in the US or in Germany. I feel happy that the German startup community seems to be really accepting of Elixir (The Berlin Elixir meetup has a lot of attendance). Maybe you speak of an earlier experience? in 2018/2019 there are quite some Elixir postings already.
Also maybe your company is a bit backwards but the German startup system is probably the most active in Europe already (not counting London), so I’m not sure if it’s “really frustrating and so much behind other countries”. At least I’m very glad that I didn’t have to do any whiteboarding/algorithm nonsense during all interviews.
Really? Then I have to watch again. Last time I looked was in late 2017. But I also have full-remote as hard requirement which is also still hard to find in Germany.
Since 2017, I touched 3 customer projects (all startups). One was fully NodeJS, the other is NodeJS but they consider going all in on Golang and the third is all Golang. 2 of them didn’t even know about Elixir at all.
Maybe I just had bad luck with our customers. But my boss also seems to struggle finding Elixir projects.
A little bit.
We have Ruby, Python and Java services where I work, with the latter gaining more and more clout due to… well, you know - company growth, enterprisey people being hired, etc.
Go has the best chance of being introduced as a “new language” to our stack. We have some aspiring Elixirists, but it’s really not happening at present. So I’ve put my free time into learning Go instead (for now). Elixir is the sexiest thing I’ve encountered in tech, but I’m not experienced enough to make a compelling argument to business.
And as amazing as the BEAM is, Crystal would be a better fit for what we’re doing - and for the engineers involved. For the exact same reason that there’s no way we’ll build a service in Crystal right now, but to a much smaller degree, it just isn’t Elixir’s time to enter our increasingly conservative engineering space right now.
And honestly, it makes sense why not.
Will still be hacking on random personal POC type things though 
AstonJ, in this instance I wasn’t even talking or thinking about my qualms with the contents of our previous discussion. However since you went ahead and mentioned it I guess I should explain the name thing so everyone here doesn’t think that I was intentionally being a jerk to someone.
@OvermindDL1, I was responding to one of your replies over in a benchmarking thread and was going really fast and instead of greeting you as OvermindDL1 I typed Overlord (I can see how that could have been considered rude if I were intending to insult you, but you are probably by far the most helpful person on this forum so I doubt anyone here could even make up a reason to insult you on purpose). AstonJ edited the post before I even realized I’d typed the wrong screen name. I wasn’t to happy about that because I didn’t realize my mistake. I thought that I had typed Overmind instead of Overlord and that he was editing it to OvermindDL1.
Did not have the honor to meet you in person. Was looking to come to Zagreb last year, can’t recall the name of the event at the moment, but looking forward at the upcoming events.
Just quickly looked at the first 10 results for “Elixir” on indeed.com. And there are indeed ( ) many from Berlin but they all require relocation and don’t support remote work, which doesn’t work for me personally.
