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								<p>Not sure this is really moving away, but our Company was evaluation new technologies that we would be using for our new app. We looked into Elixir but then decided we will use Microsoft’s open source Orleans Framework instead, it implements virtual actors, event sourcing and distributed transactions <a href="http://dotnet.github.io/orleans/" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Orleans is a cross-platform framework for building robust, scalable distributed applications | Microsoft Orleans Documentation</a></p>
<p>Our company already used C# in our previous apps on server side. So that also played a big part in selection process and we could see what kind benefits this virtual actor model would be bringing compared to actor model in Elixir.</p>
<p>More info about virtual actor model in Orleans Framework in this video <a href="https://vimeo.com/190911340" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Rotem Hermon - Actors, Evolved | &amp;Oslash;redev 2016</a></p> 
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								<p>Heh, same. Investigated Elixir and Orleans and we chose Orleans - better performance (.NET is plenty fast that you don’t have to go down the NIF rabbit hole), easier to find people, easier to onboard people, better support, bigger ecosystem.</p>
<p>And only plus for Elixir that we found - more fun to work with, mainly because it’s something new (and Orleans does have that proper enterprise framework smell). And since this isn’t a “fun” hobby project, but real project that we want to succeed - no Elixir.</p> 
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<p>Totally valid choice, and C# is a good language for getting work done. One advantage of a “fun” language in a work environment, is you’ll have a different pool to recruit from, and maybe even some really talented people who would not otherwise consider your company, will go there to work on Elixir. That is not to say though that recruiting for Elixir jobs is easy, but recruiting awesome talent is super hard everywhere you go.</p> 
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<p>But good luck to you - if you’re happy with your choice that’s all that really matters.</p> 
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								<p>I was in college when the first public release of Java happened. I asked the professor in charge of the Computer Science department what he thought about it. He said Java is a toy, will never be used for any real projects.</p>
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<p>It does feel like it is a toy though, and that’s true to this day. It seems to be made to scale to big teams, not to be a good or expressive language. Try coding a deadlock-free parallel code in Java, it still requires you to be on all your toes to get it right, whereas runtimes as Erlang’s BEAM VM or Rust’s Actix-web do it transparently.</p>
<p>I can’t deny the JVM is a really solid runtime though, that much is very true. It’s no surprise that many people rediscovered LISP through Clojure, or that Scala and Kotlin live in the JVM as well.</p> 
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								<p>My interest in this thread was galvanized as I came across an elixir developer in one of the k8s related slack channels having been away from elixir for a while now. The chat reminded me how much I miss elixir - and I really do miss elixir.</p>
<p>The reason I moved away from elixir was simple:</p>
<p>Lack of on-site work within a reasonable distance of where I live. This is just a reality.</p>
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<p>In the end, I found a devops position in a smaller city relatively close and I’ve decided to run with that for the foreseeable future.  It’s a good space to be in at the moment.</p>
<p>Going back to elixir is still a possibility but the likelihood probably diminishes over time.</p> 
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								<p>I’d advise you to do any and all hobby projects in Elixir – or other tech you like and want to master. But go all the way, deploy it to a free hosting somewhere and try and test it well. That will give you invaluable insights.</p>
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								<p>For me, job opportunities will be the reason, or the lack of opportunities, to be precise.</p> 
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								<p>Couldn’t get adoption going at work and had enough work to not really have time for hobby projects <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/frowning.png?v=15" title=":frowning:" class="emoji" alt=":frowning:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
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