In regards of productivity, I don’t think that Elixir can ever be matched, even when the Rust ergonomics ecosystem develops in the upcoming period. I always imagined combining them both via rustler
Markusxmr
yurko
Same here, Elixir has OTP though and Rust doesn’t 
I don’t see how they can compete, but combining them is a good idea.
As for why I don’t use Elixir when it would have been a good fit - there are projects where client has in house devs that for some reason are not up to an unknown stack and there are clients who are afraid of vendor lock and want something “mainstream”. These two are a pain and a source of frustration but it’s not that much I can do at the moment
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gausby
Could you elaborate on what you mean by «vendor lock» ? Both the Erlang VM and Elixir are open source projects.
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iboard
Sure, what you mention is one of the (if not the most important) arguments, the decision must take into consideration. Although I’m in this industry since 1986, I never saw a well-paved road. Either they are not hard enough or they not straight enough. Erlang is a rare exception. … And that is why I fell in love with Elixir 
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yurko
I mean we do something in Elixir and if ever they want to switch from us to someone else, they’d have a hard time finding an alternative company. Vendor in this case being us
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talentdeficit
Rebar3 Core Team
i still use elixir for a few use cases (mostly around GenStage, which is pretty good
) but i’ve moved away from it as a general purpose programming language
there are a number of reasons but the main ones are:
- a hostile community that reacts poorly to criticism
- a monoculture around libraries and frameworks (phoenix, ecto, mix, cowboy)
- lack of support for integrations with other software ecosystems
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AstonJ
I’m shocked to hear that - I’ve certainly not witnessed any genuine or sincere criticism being reacted to poorly, at least not here on the forum 
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Zesky665
There not being a market demand for elixir, I need to pay rent and elixir ain’t helping on that front.
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mikemccall
I kind of have mixed feelings around this. If I had to put it into words I feel like it might have to do with strong opinions. I think maybe the community is “hard to move”? Everyone is very helpful, but at the same time maybe too critical and/or over analytical (one could argue this is a good thing!). Phoenix is a good example. It’s a great framework that solves a real problem but even it’s existence questioned. You don’t have to scroll very far to find someone sharing a new library, but it’s picked apart. Less of “Why would you do that” and more of “May I make a suggestion”. Just my 2cents.
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talentdeficit
Rebar3 Core Team
hostile is maybe too strong a word. a better way to characterize it might be a perceived immaturity where all discussions are life-or-death and there is little room for compromise or consensus. any criticism or even suggestions are met with a passionate defense rather than any attempt at empathizing with the other point of view
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