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								<p>Well, my comment might have been a bit tongue-in-cheek <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> but obviously you’d use parentheses to remove ambiguities .</p>
<p><code>[(blah 1 2) 3 4] </code></p>
<p>In elixir you have this problem today don’t you, because optional parenthesis?</p>
<pre data-code-wrap="elixir"><code class="lang-elixir">foo bar 1, 2, 3
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								<p>No in elixir. Yes in javascript.</p>
<p>I like it when elixir yell at me when I run <code>mix</code>. I do not like it when javascript yell at me, I also like to tell myself I know javascript long enough to handle whatever happen by adding trailing comma if something were to occur.</p> 
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<p>Why do you think people don’t mind <em>extra</em> commas but want parenthesis to be optional?</p>
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<p>Yeah, <code>foo bar 1</code> is <code>foo(bar(1))</code> or <code>foo(bar, 1)</code> ?</p>
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<p>Easy from the Clojure perspective: <code>(foo bar 1)</code> is equivalent to Elixir’s <code>foo(bar, 1)</code>. <code>(foo (bar (1)))</code> would be <code>foo(bar([1]))</code>.</p>
<p><a href="https://clojure.org/guides/weird_characters#_whitespace_character" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">In Clojure,  <code>,</code>  is treated as whitespace, exactly the same as spaces, tabs, or newlines.</a></p> 
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<p>I always use parens in function calls. In my opinion, eliding parens should <em>ONLY</em> be used for macro invocations that extend syntax in such a way that parens would be awkward.</p> 
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<p>Beats me <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> We are irrational human beings.</p>
<p>Probably because syntax is hard. And the more syntax you add, the more compromises and unintended side-effects you get as well.</p>
<p>From my point of view I find the syntax <em>without</em> parenthesis but <em>with</em> commas hard to mentally parse.</p>
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# ML style looks good to me
let foo a b c = (a + b) * c
...
foo 1 2 3

# Lisp style looks good
(defun foo (a b c) (* c (+ a b)))
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(foo 1 2 3)

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def foo(a, b, c) do
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end
foo(a, b, c)

# But elixir style without parens?
def foo a, b, c do
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end
...
foo a, b , c

# with the optional brackets I have an even harder time
foo a, b, a: 1, b: 2, c: 3
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<p>To get back to the topic. Do I prefer trailing comma? I understand it makes refactoring and moving things around slightly easier but code looks more pleasant without it.</p> 
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								<p>Yes of course. I never meant my reply to be authoritative. Perhaps I should have phrased it: “In my opinion the code look more pleasant without it.”</p> 
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								<p>I don’t add trailing because back in the days I spent lots of hours tracking a bug which was only due one of these (PHP or JS I don’t remember which of these jewels).</p>
<p>Now I don’t ask myself if I wan’t them or not, I have formatters (or at least syle guide) for all languages!</p> 
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								<p>Umm - should you terminate English sentences with a comma instead of a period, in case you want to reorder the sub-clauses,</p>
<p>No, I don’t like this,</p>
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								<p>I find no trailing comma to be better readable. About the reordering / diffing argument I kinda feel like that could also be solved by more intelligent editors/diffing algorithms and mustn’t be done by me adding more commas.</p> 
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