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								<p>Really useful clarification. Thank you! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a1c41c89c299189a3f85edfeb4973563d8bac781.gif?v=15" title=":023:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":023:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>I realise this isn’t your job but I am just gonna bounce the idea with you: Erlang’s BEAM configuration can really use a few cheatsheet-like resources. We can all go and gather the necessary info on demand of course – but I for one love it when such a beautiful and complex piece of machinery (like the BEAM) also comes with a few config shortcuts for commonly requested use-cases.</p> 
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<p>What are the commonly requested use cases? Running the VM with default settings <em>is the common case</em> and everything should be well-tuned towards that.</p>
<p>It may be that we are venturing into “unknown unknown” territory, which is why there is a disconnect, but it is worth saying the <code>erl</code> command line reference is quite complete: <a href="http://erlang.org/doc/man/erl.html" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">erl — OTP 29.0.2 (erts 17.0.2)</a></p>
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<p>I would put a meta trace on <code>erlang:load_module/2</code>, and then another meta trace on <code>erlang:trace/3</code> to know if anyone disabled the tracing <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> There are probably still a few ways that you could load modules without noticing it, but that should cover the obvious cases.</p> 
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<p>In this case, on top of what you said, I’d add: version without distributed features, security-hardened version, debug-less version.</p>
<p>IMO such use cases are common enough. Do you disagree?</p>
<p>What I was saying is that a singular cheatsheet with bullet points like “start the BEAM like so if you don’t want distributed features:…” would be very useful.</p>
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								<p>Oh, I see. Sucks to have lived with a wrong belief for so long.</p>
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