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								<p>Whenever I’ve been stuck and made a question here I’ve found the responses to be very helpful and timely (I have never asked in SO though)</p>
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<p>I think this has to do more with popularity since popularity means more possible jobs opportunities. I’m a newbie myself and I was attracted initially to the language because I felt it was more future proof (more advanced) than other languages in real-time stuff, but ultimately even without that I’ve found the functional aspect and the community to be good fit for me as I’m interested in making my own projects with a language I enjoy</p> 
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								<p>Django is similar to RoR in terms of maturity.  Both scale (time and developers).  Take  an experiment, create an interactive dashboard in RoR, Django, Phoenix.  You will find in order of fastest development with less people, Django, RoR, then Phoenix (since you have to start from scratch, please correct me if I am wrong).</p> 
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								<p>I think it depends on your needs.<br>
Rails(and rails like frameworks) might have a lot of batteries included libraries that let you create something fast, but I almost always end up fighting against those libraries to tune them to my needs, and that defeats the point of using them in the first place. My personal opinion is that they offer <em>perceived</em> productivity. YMMV.</p>
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<p>You’ll find experienced developers that will give you A LOT of useful thoughts and resources, but that’s not the only people it attracts. I myself am not a seasoned developer, I found elixir looking for alternatives to PHP, I needed websocket support and a language a felt comfortable with, Elixir met those requirements and had the added benefit of being based on erlang/OTP, even if you don’t know what that means, it gives you more confidence on your choice.</p> 
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								<p>Here’s one thing about django vs Phoenix that is super relevant:. I’m hiring a junior this month. I’m confident that a junior dev can deploy code into a phoenix app without running into a major footgun.  I wouldn’t be so confident about django.</p> 
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								<p>Bitbucket, Pinterest, Instagram, Disqus, Mozilla, Instagram are all powered by Django.  Phoenix needs to mature more to get to the level of Django. I think this forum itself is powered by Django.</p> 
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<p>This forum is powered by Discourse which is a Rails app. And Discourse is quite resource-heavy as all big Rails apps are. <a class="mention" href="/u/astonj" rel="nofollow">@AstonJ</a> has posted this forum’s hosting details in the past. The server is quite beefy.</p>
<p>Sadly there are no good alternatives to Discourse as not many people out there are the retired creators of StackOverflow who can afford to brainstorm and create a new forum from scratch, and take years to do so. We are not Jeff Atwood.</p>
<p>I’d work on commoditising various pieces of software – forums, CRM, bookmarks, budget apps included – in Elixir and/or Rust but alas, I see no benevolent people around who would fund me for years while I’m doing it. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1ce11e5eafdf6b6dd26d772ae92004206a4327d1.gif?v=15" title=":010:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":010:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> It’s the world we live in.</p>
<p>You can draw conclusions how Rails is fantastic if even ElixirForum is based on it, sure. But the truth is, there isn’t much choice of good forum software out there. A lot of people would still use Discourse even if it was written in COBOL.</p> 
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								<p>yes, and Pagerduty, aka, “literally the service that everyone uses to make sure their services are running correctly or else everyone is in trouble”, is Phoenix microservices on top of Kafka.</p> 
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								<p>Exactly Ruby and Django are mature solutions.  If Phoenix is that superior then people will replace their setup but without the things I mentioned it will not become mainstream.</p> 
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