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								<p>You get a smaller size, which is not only nice for transporting purposes but also for shrinking the attack surface. The same reason container images leave out a lot of the base OS. Why bring in more than you need?</p>
<p>The “multiple releases” section is referring to building a release with varying components. You might have a project with apps only necessary in particular environments. In order to have those included and started you build a release that contains them (maybe you have separate database apps or separate release for a server and a client).</p>
<p>Which also brings to the issue of consistent startup process. You don’t necessarily have a single application you can start that will start all other applications required. Now you must write your own startup code that ensures all top level applications start.</p>
<p>Why do this and include libraries you don’t need when you can just build a release? <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Plus it means you aren’t tied to a container.</p> 
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<p>You can do this in a mix project too:</p>
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<p><code>-mode embedded</code> is just disabling dynamic code loading, it isn’t preloading anything. For this reason, I would actually expect simply setting embedded to fail at some point.</p>
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<p>Releases allow you to dynamically configure kernel, stdlib and elixir applications. This is useful to configure the distribution, Erlang’s built-in logger, and other services. To do this using the flags above, you would have to implement this logic in the shell or in other scripts and convert them to command line flags/env var when starting the VM (if at all possible).</p>
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<p>Yes your source code is included and that may be a factor for ISV doing on-premise deployment but this is not relevant to me or my projects. In any case the BEAM code is not obfuscated and can be decompiled to Erlang quite easily.</p>
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<p>Removing source code and other artefacts also reduce the size for deployment. Also note the bytecode can be encrypted if you don’t want folks to decompile it.</p>
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<p>I may be missing something of significance here because I do not use umbrella projects but I think I can supply different configuration to each application in an Umbrella project. Maybe someone can provide an example that sheds some light on this?</p>
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<p>I agree this one is pretty much the same. With releases, you can also change the mode applications are started, but I think this would be used rarely in practice.</p>
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<p>Again this is very relevant in traditional server deployments, but in containers it works fine to just use mix commands (and they are the same commands you use in dev!); the container itself is the entry point that will be started/stopped/restarted.</p>
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<p>The management scripts provide more: such as running as a daemon or installing as a window service. It can be done with Mix but they are quite annoying to setup. But, similarly to the above, I don’t think those will be used frequently.</p> 
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<p>But the Beam will need the private key used to encrypt the bytecode in order to be able to execute the bytecode, thus you will need to ship the private key to where you deploy, thus it only protects the bytecode in transit to the deployment target, or am I missing something?</p> 
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								<p>The debug info (source code) in the beam files can be encrypted, while leaving the actual bytecode unencrypted.</p> 
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								<p>Sorry for my ignorance, but if that part of the code can be encrypted, thus cannot be used in production, then why even ship it in the release, looks like it could be removed from the release?</p> 
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								<p>You can ship the release to a customer, without providing them the source code, but still get to debug with the source if you log on their machine and input the key. The original use case of Erlang is telephony switches where this probably makes sense.</p> 
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