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								<p>Hi <a class="mention" href="/u/mgibowski" rel="nofollow">@mgibowski</a> ,<br>
thanks for the kind words! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Your concern is definitely understandable, but <code>term_to_binary</code> should not brake backward compatibility. The issue you linked was with a OTP release candidate, and was fixed before the final release. If <code>term_to_binary</code> would break backward compatibility, a lot of other things beyond <code>CubDB</code> would break.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the serialization format provided by <code>term_to_binary</code> is the most solid, low cost, and probably future proof serialization strategy available in Elixir/Erlang. I honestly feel that a custom serialization mechanism would introduce more possibilities for bugs and troubles than leveraging on the battle-tested default Erlang term serialization.</p> 
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								<p>Just to clarify, my concern was based on <a href="https://bugs.erlang.org/browse/ERL-431?focusedCommentId=12415&amp;page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-12415" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>:</p>
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<p>But who knows, that was 4 years ago. Maybe now it is not considered “not safe” anymore? Or a possibility of breaking backward compatibility so low it’s worth taking that risk…</p> 
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								<p>Thanks <a class="mention" href="/u/mgibowski" rel="nofollow">@mgibowski</a> ,<br>
I think though that you misunderstood the comment you quoted: it means that the exact binary representation of terms could change between OTP releases, not that future releases might be unable to deserialize a binary created in older releases.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, in the issue you posted, previous OTP releases were already “prepared” to be able to deserialize the new format that was to be introduced in the later release.</p>
<p>The issue with RabbitMQ was that it relied on hashing a binary created with <code>term_to_binary</code> and using the hash as an identifier. This <em>can</em> break, because if the binary format changes across OTP releases (even without breaking <code>binary_to_term</code>), the hash would change too.</p>
<p><code>CubDB</code> uses <code>term_to_binary</code> only for its intended purpose: to serialize a term so that it can later be deserialized using <code>binary_to_term</code>. This should be safe across OTP releases.</p> 
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								<p>Because it doesn’t have strict type enforcement. You can describe a column as an integer but sqlite3 will happily store a text inside of it without a question.</p> 
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								<p>Understood; I don’t know that I’ve every been bitten by that (I tend to have layers between the data and the DML which helps with that) but as a lover of types, I get it.</p> 
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								<p>Ah, don’t get me wrong. After I get back in shape, I am going back to my sqlite3 Elixir+Rust library and I’ll spend <em>exorbitant</em> amounts of time and effort to enforce strict typing long before each request hits sqlite3.</p>
<p>But I find sqlite3’s design around types concerning still.</p>
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<p>Thanks for writing cubdb. Looks interesting. What happens if you start_link to the same db twice? Does the library serialize access to multiple handles to avoid corruption?</p> 
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