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<p>I’d rephrase it a bit: it’s a major part of the reason why I’m not overly dependent on Apple <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>Did you make a conscious decision to steer clear of other Apple products? If so how comes? (I mean, have they annoyed you in some way/you’re not a fan of their business practices or dominance/or just don’t like their other products?)</p>
<p>Just curious <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/upside_down_face.png?v=15" title=":upside_down_face:" class="emoji" alt=":upside_down_face:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Personally I love Apple products, but am increasingly falling out of love with Apple as a company - they make way too much profit out of us and sometimes just seem out of touch with users of their products.</p>
<p>The more reliant on them I become the more concerned I feel about them as a company as well. I think at some point there will come an end to private corporations being in control of consumer devices that are so integral to our lives (perhaps after some major breach/scandal)… but perhaps that’s a topic for another thread <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/776053aa22968f83c10e90c98b23aa0ddd5c9d47.gif?v=15" title=":lol:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":lol:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>There are a few projects out there actually like seafile/owncloud/nextcloud.</p>
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<p>Are those like iCloud but just on someone else’s servers? Or can you run those on your home computer (or home server) and essentially that becomes the ‘cloud’ for you and your family?</p>
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<p>I’ve tried MANY times to move to linux but as I get older I simply don’t have the time or energy to maintain my computers e.t.c. I don’t like particularly like Apple as a company but their ecosystem does just work.</p>
<p>Just last year I prepared myself for the switch to linux by switching all services to multiplatform ones (dropbox/spotify/lastpass) and sold every Apple device except my MacBook Pro. Just as the hundreds of previous attempts before… I gave up.</p>
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<p>You sound like what I think I would be like… if I gave myself a chance to get to that stage <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/776053aa22968f83c10e90c98b23aa0ddd5c9d47.gif?v=15" title=":lol:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":lol:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>I never quite get there because I’m fairly sure the experience wouldn’t be anywhere near close. Even things like airdrop - if there’s something on my phone or Mac I can quickly transfer it without even having to accept on the other device, because it knows they’re both mine. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve taken a photo and transferred it straight on to my Mac with essentially one tap.</p>
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<p>I’ve since bought a new iPhone, AirPods, iPad and I’m about to buy the new MacBook Pro. I don’t like the situation but my life is a lot simpler.</p>
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<p>Nice! Which MBP are you getting? Have you decided on specs? Check out the specs in <a class="mention" href="/u/factoryd" rel="nofollow">@factoryd</a>’s post  <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/mac-users-thread/24464/35" rel="nofollow">here</a>: <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>I just don’t like the UI’s in Linux. (I set up Linux and manage it for servers.)</p>
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<p>What’s wrong with KDE I’m curious? Perhaps in the linux users thread though. ^.^;<br>
KDE can look an awful lot like anything you can imagine (even some test 3D interfaces at this point).</p>
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<p>While I love the look, I think (and I’m guessing <a class="mention" href="/u/sribe" rel="nofollow">@sribe</a> also feels the same) it’s more about the feel - how you <em>feel</em> when using it. This was the biggest thing I noticed when I moved over from Windows. Mac OS felt different, felt right.</p>
<p>I reckon most people living with a Mac as their full time machine for several months would probably feel similarly - imo anyway <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/776053aa22968f83c10e90c98b23aa0ddd5c9d47.gif?v=15" title=":lol:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":lol:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>Did you make a conscious decision to steer clear of other Apple products? If so how comes? (I mean, have they annoyed you in some way/you’re not a fan of their business practices or dominance/or just don’t like their other products?)</p>
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<p>The main reason is that I’m skeptical of overly smart external services. I do most of my work locally, which means that I avoid working with e.g. Google docs &amp; such. If I want to sync things between multiple machines, I prefer plain file sharing such as Dropbox or sharing a folder via local network. I feel that this gives me more control and freedom to choose whichever software I want.</p>
<p>In addition, I don’t own a pad, and I don’t like to use phone for anything more involved. So, many of the benefits you mentioned earlier are mostly irrelevant to me.</p>
<p>So in hindsight, this strategy turned out nice, because I ended up being more decoupled from Apple, and so the switch was easier. It’s not easy though, but IME any OS switch is initially difficult. I remember that during my first month with Apple I considered going back to Linux <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>it’s more about the feel - how you <em>feel</em> when using it. This was the biggest thing I noticed when I moved over from Windows. Mac OS felt different, felt right.</p>
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<p>I agree with this. I was just explaining this last night to a friend who’s always been using Windows. I’m not sure I can pinpoint some particular features which makes macos stand out from the crowd. To me it feels that the win is instead in many small things which somehow combine nicely together and create a smooth and an intuitive UX.</p> 
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<p>I agree with this. I was just explaining this last night to a friend who’s always been using Windows. I’m not sure I can pinpoint some particular features which makes macos stand out from the crowd. To me it feels that the win is instead in many small things which somehow combine nicely together and create a smooth and an intuitive UX.</p>
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<p>System Preferences vs the usability abomination that was born from Control Panel probably sums up the difference in feel between Mac &amp; Windows.</p> 
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								<p>For me it was the other way around. Mac’s System Preferences is simply no match to Windows Local Group Policy Editor, setting everything the way I want on Mac’s was always so much harder than in Windows. I use for work Linux because everything just works here, but still when it comes to setting things up correctly, Windows is the easiest one (and I don’t even mean the registry editor).</p> 
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								<p>I have 2017 15 inches and already repaired my keyboard once. The good thing is they didn’t charge me as it comes under apple keyboard repair program and they replaced the entire assembly including the entire keyboard, trackpad, and battery.</p> 
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								<p>Well, my repair was just new left command key. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/man_shrugging.png?v=15" title=":man_shrugging:" class="emoji" alt=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> But at least it took only 24 hours and was for free.</p> 
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								<p>My keyboard had 4 sticky keys, and they gave it back after 2 days.</p> 
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								<p>Fair enough - I mostly have a fleet of one laptop to look after (well one Mac, one Windows &amp; one Linux), and I often feel like I’m going round in circles trying to find a logical place for a setting on Windows. Maybe because I went 10 years with hardly touching it. But a good example is the firewall settings - I navigated from network settings and now have three completely different user interfaces open, all from from different eras (excluding the starting point, which is still open) to look at whether it is enabled, what apps are allowed to communicate through it and “advanced settings”. It might be powerful and automatable, but it’s really messy and that’s the “feel” I think we’re talking about.</p> 
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<p>Yeah, I will probably never get it. Computer is tool for me. I rarely have to look up settings or change anything internal, and If I do I want it to be easy, and work the way I want it to work. How internal menus look is really not that important to me. After over two years working day to day with Mac, I’m gonna stay away from it and never go back, I just can’t stand fighting with system daily so it runs the way I want it to run, and not the way Apple want’s it to run for me.</p>
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<p>Is there a definition of “right”, or does it just feel “known and comfortable”.  <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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