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<p>Well in practice, there are patches for FreeBSD Jails to bring them up to zones capabilities, but as far as i know, they are not merged upstream yet. In particular some patch for the network stack.</p>
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<p>Yeah I heard of those but they also do not segment everything properly and the security is still lacking.</p> 
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								<p>Patches is one thing a huge amount of real world deployments from small to huge over a long period of time plus a very capable team behind the tech are hard to match.</p> 
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								<p>I know. Which explains why SmartOS is more close to the needs. Joyent business is based on it ^^’</p> 
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								<p>So you work under Bryan Cantrill? Lucky you <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I use Docker in my dev environment. Points being:</p>
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<li>With Docker Compose I can easily grasp what other services (DBs, whatnots) that my app needs.</li>
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<p>My first project (a Phoenix API) used Docker for deployment too, simply because the rest of the project was using it (and the ops team asked me to). As I watch and read many materials about Elixir, Erlang, and OTP, I have doubts; seems to me that Erlang/OTP provides many distribution and fault tolerance features that doesn’t play well if we’re using Docker (mainly because, yeah, the networking).</p>
<p>But I think I still wouldn’t dump Docker for my dev env <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smile.png?v=15" title=":smile:" class="emoji" alt=":smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> It’s so cheaper than VMs.</p> 
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								<p>What? Not at all. I work at an European Car manufacturing company that know **** hell about anything that was invented after 2003.</p> 
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								<p>Googling “hacker news” docker 2016 does not reveal the most positive news. I’m happy with docker + docker compose for my development environment. But it is good to be informed.</p> 
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								<p>I am big fan of docker and all container orchestration.  I think that everything is moving forward this directions.<br>
<a href="https://www.cncf.io" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Cloud Native Computing Fundation</a> is growing in strength.</p>
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<p>This will be the future for cloud. At current state containers for dev environment are easy but on production are hard.<br>
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<p>The future for applications in the cloud is SaaS and serverless architecture. I can’t understand people’s enthusiasm in using docker in the cloud. Personally I can’t understand people’s enthusiasm in using docker overall <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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