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								<p>There goes nothing then. With the tip of your GIT repo being at commit <code>53cb0560c7dc62558aeb11ff65d22fb13c4610ff</code>:</p>
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</div><p>Observations:</p>
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<li>Overall, most numbers are a little lower than before – interesting. Might be due to thermal throttling, especially on the MBP. But I can’t notice a significant difference overall.</li>
<li><code>pgbench</code> uses less CPU than Elixir which leaves more CPU for Postgres – I noticed Postgres utilising the CPU more in the <code>pgbench</code> tests.</li>
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<p>Let me gather my full feedback on the testing methodology:</p>
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<li>Shouldn’t use <code>.exs</code> scripts, that’s less efficient (although I doubt it amounts to much).</li>
<li>Should use the same set of random keys used to insert/update records. It’s going to be a little more scientific and get more consistent results that way IMO.</li>
<li>Should use more Elixir processes. Your observation on the numbers when going from 10 to 40 makes sense. Between processes being extremely lightweight and the DB pool limits your tests should IMO do their best to keep the Postgres DB very busy.</li>
<li>Again, standardise the output of all commands. You can capture and hide <code>pgbench</code>’s output and just output the IPS/TPS number.</li>
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								<p>Thank you. All good feedback. We are close to the end of our day here, but will follow up on these suggestions tomorrow.</p> 
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								<p>FWIW <code>pghr</code> (the initial experiment) has largely served its purpose for me. As I mentioned a few posts ago, the idea was that I would layer on the complexity in our internal application and find the cliff that we were falling off of.</p>
<p>I found it today.</p>
<p>We were using <code>pg_notify</code> as part of an internal change notification mechanism. When I introduced that (even with <em>no</em> listeners), Ecto performance fell off by a factor of 3. <code>pgbench</code> performance showed no such impact.</p>
<p>I’ll post updated results on the <code>pghr</code> repo soon (hopefully tomorrow). In the meantime, armed with that information, we can achieve the desired performance by using other technology for our change notification.</p> 
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								<p><a class="mention" href="/u/scouten" rel="nofollow">@scouten</a> be advised that <code>pg_notify</code> uses an O(n^2) algorithm for determining notification uniqueness within a transaction. <code>pg_notify</code> always deduplicates messages within a transaction, and unfortunately the mechanism it has for that can cause significant slowdowns when it does the uniqueness check even if there are no listeners.</p>
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<p>That is quite odd, looking forward to the update.</p> 
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								<p>What I found baffling was that <code>beam.smp</code> CPU consumption leveled off at almost exactly 100% according to Mac OS Activity Monitor, compared to ~280% before introducing <code>pg_notify</code> (on two different 4-core machines).</p>
<p>I’ve read recently about the O(n^2) algo in <code>pg_notify</code> so I’ll admit that I’m looking at that with a strong side-eye.</p> 
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								<p>Very weird, how are you using pg_notify? Are you using it directly or are you using some kind of library that may be pushing events through a genserver and creating a bottleneck?</p> 
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								<p>Even stranger: In this benchmark, I’m not consuming the notifications at all. (That was going to be my next step in layering back in complexity.)</p>
<p>If you comment out the <code>PERFORM pg_notify</code> line in the just-added schema, perf goes back to previous levels.</p> 
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								<p>Can you show where you’re using pg_notify? I’m not seeing it in the code base. The performance cost of <code>pg_notify</code> isn’t going to go to 0 when there are no consumers, that isn’t really surprising to me.</p> 
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								<p>Shoot. Didn’t post that code. I’m on the road today, but should have time to share that out tomorrow morning.</p> 
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