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<p>There is a lot of flaws with c++, that is why I’m going away from php</p>
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<p>I do not understand why flaws in C++ make you go away from PHP…</p>
<p>Yes PHP has its own flaws, but they are not necessarily related to those of C++.</p>
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<p>The Java is c++ based</p>
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<p>Maybe some JavaVMs are implemented in C++, but I do not get what you want to tell us.</p>
<p>Most of the things one might consider a flaw in Java are because of the language Java itself, not because of the language the JVM is implemented in. It would have the same flaws when we reimplemented the JVM in pure C, Pascal, Rust, Ada, Nim, D, or whatever you might come up with…</p>
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<p>I don’t know if cowboy web server is [C++ based]</p>
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<p>If you mean by that “implemented in C++”, then no, it’s a pure Erlang implementation of a web server. The Erlang VM itself is implemented in C, though there are approaches to reimplement the Erlang VM in Rust.</p>
<p>I still don’t get all the mentioning of C++ and other languages and how it’s related to the fact that there are currently problems to install erlang and elixir on a windows box.</p> 
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								<p>Its space character manipulation, from things that cause character encoding processes to produce the security violation. Using common practices that were copied and pasted everywhere arbitrarily can lead to issues.</p>
<pre><code>      for example, The php mail() exploitation of the 5 parameter:
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<p>not all characters that are necessary to exploit the security issue in mail() are forbidden by this filter. It allows the usage of escaped whitespaces nested in double quotes. Due to the nature of the underlying regular expression it is possible to overlap single and double quotes and trick filter_var() into thinking we are inside of double quotes, although mail()s internal escapeshellcmd() thinks we are not.<br>
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<pre data-code-wrap="elixir"><code class="lang-elixir">'a."'\ -OQueueDirectory=\%0D&lt;?=eval($_GET[c])?&gt;\ -X/var/www/html/"@a.php
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<p>For the here given url-encoded input, the <code>filter_var()</code> function returns <em>true</em> and rates the payload as a <em>valid</em> email address. This has a critical impact when using this function as a sole security measure: Similar as in our original attack, our malicious “email address” would cause sendmail to print the following error into our newly generated shell <code>"@a.php</code> in our webroot.</p>
&lt;?=eval($_GET[c])?&gt;\/): No such file or directory
<p>Remember that <code>filter_var()</code> is not appropriate to be used for user-input sanitization and was never designed for such cases, as it is too loose regarding several characters.</p>
<p>You’re thinking maybe its simpleton code from example web sites that are effected… Guess what, its everyone that is using php mail() function.</p>
<p>Roundcube &lt;= 1.2.2 <a href="https://blog.ripstech.com/2016/roundcube-command-execution-via-email/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">CVE-2016-9920</a><br>
MediaWiki &lt; 1.29 <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152717" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Discussion</a><br>
PHPMailer &lt;= 5.2.18 <a href="https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer/wiki/About-the-CVE-2016-10033-and-CVE-2016-10045-vulnerabilities" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">CVE-2016-10033</a><br>
Zend Framework &lt; 2.4.11 <a href="https://framework.zend.com/security/advisory/ZF2016-04" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">CVE-2016-10034</a><br>
SwiftMailer &lt;= 5.4.5-DEV <a href="https://legalhackers.com/advisories/SwiftMailer-Exploit-Remote-Code-Exec-CVE-2016-10074-Vuln.html" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">CVE-2016-10074</a><br>
SquirrelMail &lt;= 1.4.23 <a href="https://legalhackers.com/advisories/SquirrelMail-Exploit-Remote-Code-Exec-CVE-2017-7692-Vuln.html" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">CVE-2017-7692</a></p>
<p>Is a small list, but due to the integration of these affected libraries, other widely used applications, such as Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal, were partly affected as well.</p> 
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								<p>I imagine there is a white space character somewhere in the c code page that is halting the compilier. Like a space character pasted in. I think microsoft is trying to fix white space vulnerabilities it had with that language, and xml since its creation (30+ years).</p> 
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								<p>There are other ones too, like the c++ vulnerabilities with WAF or commonly known as Web Application Firewall. I won’t discuss those here, as there is no fixes for that. C++ was a badly written language that has a lot of issues with keeping itself safe. It explains a lot of half baked c++ programs out there because they just was interested in making something that worked.</p>
<p>Other c++ programs that need to be fixed, is the DNS server programs. Their white space vulnerability can lead the whole server being preyed upon by a man in the middle attack, or cause outages of thousands of websites (like it did last April). DNSSEC doesn’t secure it either, but it helps with making the mtm attack harder to implement, but it still can be performed.</p> 
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								<p>I also forgot to mention the 30+years bug with embedding javascript and php scripts inside pictures (both in the exif region, and encoded in the picture data). This is still out there and I think some of the browsers are working on a solution, but I don’t think they are advertising this old bug. I see there is git hub projects for making script embedded pictures, so I doubt they have it fixed.</p> 
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								<p>The Elixir experience on Windows seems to boil down to this: if you are really determined to make it work, you will – but you are not in for a smooth ride.</p>
<p>The first time I toyed with the idea of learning Elixir, I nearly gave up. My expectation was that one (offline) installer would get the system ready for me. In practice, there was Erlang, a separate Elixir (online) installer, and uncertainty as to how these two would work together. Note however that it was not the complexity or the inconvenience that was the problem, but a gut reaction signalling that Elixir/Phoenix might not be the user-friendly platform I was looking for.</p>
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<p>The sort of person who has taken the trouble to learn Elixir and switch to Phoenix is unlikely to settle for Pbkdf2, because the endless hours of frustration due to <em>not</em> settling for Pbkdf2 are unimaginable to begin with. You expect to spend some time figuring out how things work together, but then the Visual Studio reality kicks in. It is huge, it is not obvious which components are required (I had to reinstall a few times in order to save HDD space), it might take forever to download (e.g. <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44563536/visual-studio-2017-installer-extremely-slow" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">link</a>), and it is almost inevitable that you will get something wrong (e.g. <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/argon2-elixir-on-windows-10-running-out-of-ideas/26156" rel="nofollow">link</a>). Like the OP, I am not complaining, just sharing my experience.</p> 
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								<p>Having done my fair share of Elixir/Phoenix development on a Windows 10 laptop I can absolutely share your sentiment.</p>
<p>Things are a little better when going the WSL route (especially now, that VSCode has amazing support for “Remote and WSL Development”), however even in WSL land things are not always 100% smooth (e.g., see <a href="https://github.com/hexpm/hex/issues/624" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Unpacking inner tarball failed (Windows, NTFS, WSL with options=metadata) · Issue #624 · hexpm/hex · GitHub</a>)</p> 
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								<p>I’m just a beginner, but for me the installation and usage on Win10 has not caused any issues.  Maybe I’m not addressing the areas that the poster is, but it was pretty painless.</p> 
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								<p>I’m also new to Elixir and just tried installing on a Win 10 Pro machine via the installer. Took less than a minute, Erlang, Elixir, mix are all installed and added to path. Checked versions and the interactive shell via bash and it all looks good.</p> 
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								<p>I’m on Erlang / OTP 21 &amp; Elixir 1.8.1 on windows and had no problems, although it was obviously a few months back so maybe things have changed since. The main annoyance has been Windows itself, and its interactions with my coding environment. Visual Code with ElixirLS is great, but gets unstable when I plug / unplug an external monitor (42" Dell - awesome BTW). I’ve been in MacOS land since 2005 so I’m out of the habit of rebooting 3 times a day to reinitialise the graphics subsystem. I’ve settled on Visual Code until it becomes unstable then flick over to atom with more limited Elixir tooling until I’m forced to reboot again.</p>
<p>I know this may sound weird to the world of open source developers, but I introduced a career .Net developer to Elixir recently and he was amazed that you could download and install a development environment in less than a day, in less than a Gb and with no install related reboots.</p> 
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