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								<p>IMO. Learning erlang / BEAM would make someone better in Elixir because this one would know what happens behind the scenes.</p> 
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								<p>For the record, here’s a good tl;dr on BEAM vs JVM</p><aside class="onebox allowlistedgeneric" data-onebox-src="https://sisu.ut.ee/ics-ds/">
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								<p>that means of course that, when you change an opinion, a new you is ceated…<br>
Gladly it shares everything else, structurally, with your old yourself.</p> 
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<p>I don’t like seeing a lot of them because it’s confusing (IMO). I know the power, but I prefer Elixir syntax. I think “makes things more complicated” is just a matter of opinion. I don’t like parentheses, you like parentheses. It’s fine.</p>
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<p>Parentheses? What parentheses? I haven’t noticed any parentheses since my first month of Lisp programming. I like to ask people who complain about parentheses in Lisp if they are bothered by all the spaces between words in a newspaper…</p>
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								<p>Why is so complicated to talk to other developers? I am not complaining about anything. It’s just my opinion. I don’t think I should waste time discussing if fork is better than spoon. They are both tools and that’s it. Use what you need.</p> 
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								<p>He didn’t really say you were complaining.</p> 
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								<p>Right, sorry. I should have emphasized the first part of the quote. The point of the quote is that, after a while of programming in Lisp, the parentheses become invisible. You get used to them, especially with a good editor.</p>
<p>But yes, the parens are a feature. It’s not so much that lispers <em>like</em> parens as much as they like the benefits of using s-expressions. Note how Clojure introduced square brackets and curly braces, but kept the s-expressions. (Unlike, say Dylan, which tossed out sexprs for a more ALGOL-like syntax.)</p> 
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								<p>Thank you for clarifying. I am sorry too.</p> 
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								<p>Have you ever worked with Leiningen?<br>
Maven repo download speed?<br>
Clojure stack trace?<br>
Java-Clojure interop and its type syntax?<br>
JVM startup time?<br>
Missing parentheses?<br>
JVM 8 and 12 incompatibility?</p>
<p>And so on…</p>
<p>I have so much scar about clojure, but when it works, it works.</p>
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