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								<p><a class="mention" href="/u/astonj" rel="nofollow">@AstonJ</a>, well I’m really out of my depth here, but here’s what remained in my head after these talks.</p>
<p>BSD:</p>
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<li>Minor Updates don’t destroy your system. I had that happen with Linux, it didn’t even boot <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></li>
<li>Binaries?! The speaker in the second talk said something about BSD providing binaries so he didn’t have to deal with dependency hell. Had bad experience with Linux there as well, compiled something, then it wanted different versions of other things, removed old versions and compiled new ones, then they needed different versions of other things, removing those other things = destroy the system.</li>
<li>The team takes care of the entire OS?!</li>
<li>In the first talk, it was mentioned that FreeBSD with version 11 will be massively scalable. I like that! Buzz words!</li>
<li>ZFS sounded nice, Jails sounded nice too.</li>
<li>It was mentioned that Netflix is contributing to BSD’s Net code.</li>
<li>Using something that’s not so popular, maybe another benefit for security?</li>
<li>The novelty of the experience <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></li>
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<p>I’ve only ever used BSD in the form of “PC-BSD” which says a lot, but even PC-BSD was so incredibly fast, I mean I was willing to put up with a “constant On laptop Fan” kind of fast <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smile.png?v=15" title=":smile:" class="emoji" alt=":smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
So I guess if all of the above is true, than I’m willing to give it a try <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> learning new things never hurts.</p> 
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								<p>The good thing about FreeBSD it comes with an Elixir package, whereas Elixir is not available at all for my Linux distribution of choice, CentOS. Also WhatsApp runs Erlang on FreeBSD so I guess there’s an obvious connection there <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Still, we’ve moved pretty much everything from FreeBSD to CentOS due to better support from (virtual) hardware vendors and some bad experiences running routine upgrades on FreeBSD. It’s a great OS though without the massive fragmentation that Linux has.</p> 
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								<p>I was a rabid user of FreeBSD from my discovering it in the late 1990’s until about 2010.  Around 2003, I started playing with <a href="https://www.dragonflybsd.org/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">DragonFly BSD</a>.  I used FreeBSD for desktop and server purposes.</p>
<p>I finally gave up on it.  My workplace was/is deeply entrenched in Linux and I couldn’t convince anyone of the stability benefits.  I don’t run much for servers and it was easier to install Ubuntu last time I got a new workstation.</p>
<p>In principle I like the BSD philosophy, but I’m a minority of one at work.</p>
<p>DragonFly has been fun to watch, and I still keep a machine or two running it.  The <a href="https://www.dragonflybsd.org/hammer/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">hammer</a> filesystem has some nice features.  I won’t go into details here, but feel free to contact me offline if you want to know more.</p>
<p>In the end, I’m just glad to have something other than Windows to develop on.</p> 
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								<p>Well, so far so good <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
At least I know it’s possible to run a Phoenix project on the thing.</p>
<p>Basic installation notes:<br>
-as root</p>
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<li>pkg install node</li>
<li>pkg install www/npm</li>
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5. ee ~/.login_conf<br>
(remove # in front of lines)</p>
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<p>-logout/login again</p>
<p>6.mix archive.install <a href="https://github.com/phoenixframework/archives/raw/master/phoenix_new.ez" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://github.com/phoenixframework/archives/raw/master/phoenix_new.ez</a><br>
7. mix phoenix.new projectname</p>
<p>-in project folder<br>
8. mix deps.get<br>
9. npm install<br>
10. mix phoenix.server</p>
<p>Have not tried to install postgresql yet, not a fan of the “install this db” approach <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/confused.png?v=15" title=":confused:" class="emoji" alt=":confused:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
Hopefully Phoenix will become more db agnostic <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
Anyways, BSD doesn’t seem that scary at all!</p> 
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								<p>It is not the “install this DB” approach. It is the “we support Postgres and mySQL out of the Box, if you want something else you have to <a href="http://michal.muskala.eu/2015/07/07/creating-ecto-adapters.html" rel="nofollow">implement an Adapter</a> for it” approach.</p>
<p>Also as far as I know, there is a package out there that adds SQLite suport.</p>
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								<p>" Phoenix configures applications to use it(postgres) by default, but we can switch to MySQL by passing the --database mysql flag when creating a new application."<br>
So that’s why you need to pass flags if you don’t want Postgres? That “default” word must be a typo there <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=15" title=":stuck_out_tongue:" class="emoji" alt=":stuck_out_tongue:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Ecto Models<br>
“PostgreSQL<br>
MySQL<br>
MSSQL<br>
SQLite3<br>
MongoDB”</p>
<p>Do I see four "SQL"s in the 5 models available? Thank God I can switch from one SQL to another SQL database. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
And there’s not even one Graph option?</p>
<p>I’m just kidding, I really am, but I think I have more reasons to stand on my opinion than switch to yours.<br>
Thanks for the adapter tutorial link, most appreciated! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Yeah, there are defaults, but they don’t enforce anything to you.</p>
<p>And of course you are right, currently there is an overwhelming majority of relational databases in there, thats just because the whole architecture of ecto is much more suitable to them. Its hard to wrap something else into it.</p>
<p>But of course, you may swap ecto with whatever you want.</p>
<p>Defaults are just a suggestion, to make it easier to people who want to stick with them, but you can override pretty much everything in Phoenix (except for Phoenix and Plug).</p>
<p>Another solution were to not provide any defaults, which would make it hard for beginners to get started and so removes the fun out of programming, which again is against the spirit of elixir.</p> 
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								<p>Turns out for Graph, other people didn’t have much luck with making Ecto adapters, but there are option on the horizon <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> epic win community is epic win!</p> 
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								<p>I would pick these very same reasons to stick with FreeBSD. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>How long have you been using FreeBSD?</p>
<p>Reckon you could put together a Elixir-FreeBSD wiki/info page for us? <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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