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								<p><em>I didn’t go through all of the thread, so excuse me.</em></p>
<p>I will focus on the main discussion of this thread: which OS is better for Phoenix / Elixir development.</p>
<p>I switch operating systems every two or three months by the simple fact that I enjoy testing other operating systems. I have tried about 80% of the mainstream Linux distros, but not very much of FreeBSD, after a couple of years using Linux I always come back to Arch Linux (or one of it’s distros) for two simple things: The Archwiki and AUR.</p>
<p>If you are a programmer looking to switch to a new OS one of the things you have to look for is a good package management system. That is why I love and I keep using Arch, beside many other benefits. I have a lot of software at my disposal which is carefully tested and updated.</p>
<p>In the last 6 months I’ve switched 2 operating systems, I’ve went from an Arch based distro to Debian, openSUSE, and back to an Arch based distro.</p>
<p>I’ve returned from one simple reason: I wasn’t pleased with the number of packages I had on those distros.<br>
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								<p>DigitalOcean has a good series of articles <a href="https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorial_series/getting-started-with-freebsd" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Getting Started with FreeBSD</a> on their servers.</p>
<p>Part 1, <a href="https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/a-comparative-introduction-to-freebsd-for-linux-users" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">A Comparative Introduction to FreeBSD for Linux Users</a> doesn’t do a bad job of explaining some of the main differences between FreeBSD and Linux. I think the following quote from the summary paragraph does sum a lot of what Linux users often fail to understand, and perhaps why they cling/return to one Linux distro - the need for a consistent OS philosophy:</p>
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<p>This blog post should give you a good idea of the simplicity of <a href="https://sgeos.github.io/phoenix/elixir/postgresql/freebsd/2016/03/19/installing-phoenix-elixir-and-postgresql-on-freebsd.html" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Installing Phoenix, Elixir and PostgreSQL on FreeBSD</a></p>
<p>The <a href="https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/index.html" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">FreeBSD Handbook</a> is a great place to start and good reference to keep using as it’s kept up-to-date, although you’ll find more specific information about parts of FreeBSD and processes elsewhere from manpages to blogs, books, youtube vids, etc.</p>
<p>When stuck, <a href="https://forums.freebsd.org/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">The FreeBSD Forums</a> and <a href="http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/freebsd" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">StackExchange’s serverfault</a> are great places for quick answers.</p>
<p>If you want to easily browse or search through the thousands of packages and ports that FreeBSD has available for it, you can do so at <a href="http://www.freshports.org/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">FreshPorts</a> or obviously within a FreeBSD install itself.</p>
<p>As an aside, I should also note that not only is much of the userland in OS X similar to FreeBSD’s, part of OS X’s kernel is from FreeBSD - <a href="https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/KernelProgramming/BSD/BSD.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000905-CH214-TPXREF101" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Kernel Programming, BSD</a> - as one of the co-founders of FreeBSD was at Apple from 2001 to 2013 (now at iXsystems who acquired PC-BSD in 2006, renaming it TrueOS, and in 2010 re-released FreeNAS rewritten using FreeBSD.)</p>
<p>Containers/jails certainly have their uses, but for working with Elixir and Phoenix Framework, especially in a production environment, my opinion would be to avoid them and focus on the OTP and how it natively scales, and look at use of containers/jails where security matters on the edge of your network, in firewalls, reverse proxies.</p> 
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								<p>I agree with you DianaOlympos</p>
<p>It’s great to see SmartOS, Illumos etc develop, and not only because its engineers are responsible for some of the great recent additions to FreeBSD, but because alternatives that keep FreeBSD on its toes are always needed.</p>
<p>But at this time, when checking off the usual criteria for choosing a dev and production OS - from user base (WhatsApp to cloud/server providers like Digital Ocean that offer easy to create and configure cheap FreeBSD servers) to an active supportive community (including up-to-date docs to forums and howtos) to the availability of a huge number of packages and ports as well as the option for Linux Binary compatibility, I think FreeBSD is the obvious pick for a startup or company wanting to scale with stability and security that Linux distros rarely can match if they can at all.</p>
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<p>But at this time, when checking off the usual criteria for choosing a dev and production OS - from user base (WhatsApp to cloud/server providers like Digital Ocean that offer easy to create and configure cheap FreeBSD servers) to an active supportive community (including up-to-date docs to forums and howtos) to the availability of a huge number of packages and ports as well as the option for Linux Binary compatibility, I think FreeBSD is the obvious pick for a startup or company wanting to scale with stability and security that Linux distros rarely can match if they can at all.</p>
<p>For cutting edge stuff that hasn’t yet made it into FreeBSD, if you need it, then I suggest SmartOS/Illumos or a Linux distro alternative.</p>
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								<p>I think it’s important to keep proper perspective just because dude X ported something from Illumos to FreeBSD it does not mean it is as stable, performant and well tested as the original. A lot of original SUN engineers are involved in the Illumos  ecosystem and very few are involved in various ports to other systems.</p> 
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								<p>Sure, but FreeBSD doesn’t rush to integrate the ‘latest and greatest’ like Linux distros often do to differentiate their distro from others - it only integrates features from other OSes with a view to improving the overall OS, whether for performance or security or feature set, which means lots of testing, better audits, and the ability for users to downgrade to a previous version easily if necessary.</p>
<p>The FreeBSD community certainly isn’t reliant on ex Sun engineers and SmartOS/Illumos to improve - it gets improved from a much larger range of people, including cross-pollination from the other BSDs.</p>
<p>That doesn’t mean FreeBSD is perfect, but its community makes sure it is steadily improved from release to release, which is why it was chosen by WhatsApp to Netflix etc - for feature set, stability, and security.</p>
<p>When SmartOS/Illumos etc have the track record of high production deployments that FreeBSD has, using comparable/same features, and as large a community of users/committers, and available docs etc, then more people will look at it.</p>
<p>But as it is now, with regular releases, great features, stability, security, and scalability, and a large supportive community, up-to-date docs, etc - FreeBSD is an easy pick for someone that may want to build just a website or the next WhatsApp on it compared to choosing a Linux distro or SmartOS/Illumos.</p> 
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								<p>Sure, and FreeBSD can run Linux code fast too - eg running a Linux distro within a jail with good performance.</p>
<p>But returning to the question in the title of this post, options like these and containers are, at least in my opinion, irrelevant for most if not all production environments needed for Phoenix.</p> 
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								<p>"When SmartOS/Illumos etc have the track record of high production deployments that FreeBSD has, " that is a bit humorous <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Solaris and Illumos run the kinds of deployments that FreeBSD has never had <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">  and is unlikely to ever have. This not intended to put FreeBSD down but just to give realistic perspective.</p> 
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								<p>I’m referring to FreeBSD deployments like WhatsApp, Netflix, Apache Foundation etc.</p>
<p>It’s easy to make such statements like:</p>
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<p>Solaris and Illumos run the kinds of deployments that FreeBSD has never had <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> and is unlikely to ever have.</p>
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<p>without giving examples, and please excuse my ignorance of such examples without you stating them here, but I’m not trying to engage in a OS pissing contest, but rather help community members here choose an OS that is best suited for needs for Phoenix/Elixir/OTP, in particular with regards to the title question of this thread.</p>
<p>It’s quite ignorant to think FreeBSD won’t be able to do the same as SmartOS/Illumos in the future as it integrates new features, and thus be deployed in most if not any environment types they are in, but that’s irrelevant now, as FreeBSD already serves enough small to large startups and companies that it’s proven itself more than capable for many years, and thus is a great pick for anyone in this community to use.</p>
<p>Can you refer the community here to one such high availability environment like WhatsApp or Netflix that SmartOS/Illumos has achieved??</p>
<p>I only ask so that they can be properly compared to FreeBSD as production server alternatives for the use of Phoenix, Elixir and the OTP.</p> 
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								<p>Walmart, Goldman Sachs, Verizon, Airbus,  P &amp; G, BT, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China just some random companies pretty much 90+% of world’s largest companies.</p> 
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