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								<p>I missed that you are proposing fraction-of-day instead of microseconds.</p>
<p>Fraction of day is how RD/JD are usually defined as you know so there is familiarity and a lot of literature to support this approach.</p>
<p>I recognise better now why you were emphasising that precision is important - in order to preserve round trip conversions of at least microsecond resolution i assume, since that’s the contract described by Calendar.</p>
<p>I’ve done most of the work now to update my PR - pending whether there’s a consensus on whether to go the microseconds-since-midnight or the fraction-of-a-day route.</p>
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								<p>A tangentially related question to <a class="mention" href="/u/josevalim" rel="nofollow">@josevalim</a>: the current Date struct defines fields for<code>year, month, day</code>. The current DateTime struct adds <code>hours, minutes, seconds, milliseconds, timezone_info</code> to that. For quite a few calendars, most of these fields will be unused (for instance, the hebrew callendar subdivides the day in many so-called ‘parts’ instead of hms). For other calendars, more fields might need to be added (or certain properties recomputed each time it is used).</p>
<p>What is the rationale behind requiring all custom calendar structs to have these fields? Why was this chosen over a simple <code>%Date{calendar: calendar_module, content: calendar_specific_representation} </code> representation?</p> 
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<p>Hmm, probably for pattern matching, but that does beg the question, why does the calendar type not supply the Date/DateTime types instead of the other way around?</p> 
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<p>I totally understand and agree with this, although I am not entirely sure what advantage it has to specifying these fields directly in the struct. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>What would be the best way for calendars that have different kinds of subdivisions/supervidisions to fit in the current Date and Time structs? (ab)use one of the existing struct fields?</p> 
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								<p>Can you please post some samples of calendars that don’t use <code>year, month, day</code>?</p> 
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<p>I do not know the answer to this question. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Someone would have to try different approaches and let us know how it goes.</p> 
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								<p>The Mayan and Balinese calendars have a different structure than year, month, day.  As far as I can tell, other calendars fit year, month, day quite well,</p> 
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								<p>Hmmm, i don’t think it is necessary to support them into Date structs. Elixir is becomming pretty good at calendars and i like it. But its ok not supporting 2 of nearly obsoleted type of calendars natively i think. They can have libraries defining their own structs.</p>
<p>Non of languages i’ve worked with support that kind of calendars in their nature.</p>
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<p>I can easily think of two other very commonly-used calendars that do not fit <code>{year, month, day}</code>:</p>
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<li>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">ISO Week date</a> calendar, that is used <em>a lot</em> in business and fiscal environments, which counts <code>{year, week_number, day}</code>.</li>
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<p>Besides this, there are many calendars that do not fit the <em>DateTime</em> subdivision in hours/minutes/seconds/milliseconds, such as (from the top of my head; there are more):</p>
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<li>Rata Die, which counts a fraction of a day and is therefore precise.</li>
<li>The afore-mentioned Hebrew calendar, which uses 12 hours that are each subdivided in 1080 ‘parts’, a day thus contains 25920 parts.</li>
<li>The Hindu calendar, which subdivides a day into 60 Ghati and a Ghati into 60 Pala.</li>
<li>TAI, which only counts seconds.</li>
<li>POSIX time, which only counts seconds but gets corrected for leap seconds.</li>
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