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								<p>Pseudo terminals inherently have some overhead compared to native kernel terminals, but in practice I don’t think it’s much of a concern. That said, I don’t claim to understand the inner workings or where performance difference may lie.</p>
<p>Eshell vs a conventional pseudo terminal, however, is no contest. Go with the conventional terminal when you need performance.</p> 
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<p>Pseudo terminals inherently have some overhead compared to native kernel terminals, but in practice I don’t think it’s much of a concern. That said, I don’t claim to understand the inner workings or where performance difference may lie.</p>
<p>Eshell vs a conventional pseudo terminal, however, is no contest. Go with the conventional terminal when you need performance.</p>
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<p>Do you mean the ‘normal’ shell in Emacs (which in SpaceMacs I can get to by <code>SPC '</code>) vs the eshell? (That’s what I was referring to - sorry if I wasn’t clear).</p> 
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<p>Do you mean the ‘normal’ shell in Emacs (which in SpaceMacs I can get to by SPC ') vs the eshell?</p>
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<p>Ah, no I misunderstood. I was talking more generally about Emacs as a terminal vs dedicated pseudo terminals. I assume SpaceMacs’s “normal” shell has performance properties resembling eshell because eshell’s bottleneck is almost certainly Emacs and its <a href="https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/NoThreading" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">concurrency limitations</a>. Can’t say from experience, though, since I haven’t even got SpaceMacs set up yet!</p> 
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								<p>Haha ok thanks, I’ll do a little more digging.</p>
<p>Let us know how you get on with SpaceMacs <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>For fun I ran a quick benchmark test in my Ubuntu 16.04 VM. I’ve noticed programs with a lot of output tend to go slower in eshell, so I ran the following command in both eshell in a fresh Emacs instance and gnome-terminal, both with my default login shell (zsh). It repeatedly prints <code>y\n</code> for 5 seconds, displaying the results and writing to a file.</p>
<pre><code>$ timeout 5 yes | tee -a $file
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<pre><code>~ $ wc -l emacs
1148639 emacs
~ $ wc -l gnome-terminal
5963776 gnome-terminal
~ $ (/ 5963776 1148639.0)
5.19203683663884
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								<p>Try here:</p>
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    <a name="p-319-a-wiki-for-spacemacs-1" class="anchor" href="#p-319-a-wiki-for-spacemacs-1" aria-label="Heading link" rel="nofollow"></a>A wiki for Spacemacs
Spacemacs with Alchemist is an extremely popular set-up to use for Elixir development. Give it a try by following our guide here and let us know what you think! 
<a href="http://spacemacs.org" rel="nofollow">http://spacemacs.org</a> - Official SpaceMacs site 
<a href="http://www.alchemist-elixir.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.alchemist-elixir.org</a> - Alchemist Elixir site 

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We need to install Emacs first, then Spacemacs, then add the Elixir layer to SpaceMacs: 
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								<p>I started using VSCode full time a couple of weeks. Before that I was using spacemacs (Hybrid mode) for a good year and a half. I loved it (and miss it), but the performance of emacs was getting to me. VSCode feels just as fast as I remember Sublime Text being before I switched. I just wish there was spacemacs, but for VSCode <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> VSCode gets better every release.</p>
<p>I still miss spacemacs though, haha</p> 
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