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								<p>In my humble opinion, this seems essential to <code>phx_gen_auth</code> if it is to become part of the standard Phoenix framework. A lot of people use Phoenix just for their API, so a lot of people will want to be able to do:</p>
<pre data-code-wrap="elixir"><code class="lang-elixir">mix phx.new --no-html --gen-auth  # I don't know what the actual flag will be
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<p>In my humble opinion, this seems essential to <code>phx_gen_auth</code> if it is to become part of the standard Phoenix framework. A lot of people use Phoenix just for their API, so a lot of people will want to be able to do:</p>
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<p>It already is merged in to phoenix and it’s still a valid tool even if limited to session based authentication with logins – especially given how much more diverse, with various different tradeoffs, authentication for api’s is.</p> 
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								<p>I didn’t know it was already merged. I agree it’s still a valid tool.</p> 
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								<p>I’m often puzzled at the dismissal for APIs and their technologies in this forum. I’ve seen multiple API authentication questions be shot down immediately here: “JWT is unsafe”, “tokens are unsafe”… That’s understandable, but we have to authenticate our single page apps somehow, and people use tokens.</p>
<p>It’s the difference between theory and pragmatism.</p>
<p>As someone who’s new to Elixir and Phoenix, it’s incredibly off-putting and a shame considering how suitable Phoenix is for the task of building APIs. It’s a pleasure.</p> 
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								<p>It’s not about token, it’s about JWT versus Phoenix Token…</p>
<p>It’s not about Phoenix API, it’s about API in general <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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								<p>Thanks for the clarification, it’s just been a little frustrating as someone new to the community who’s been trying to implement an auth solution for API use.</p>
<p>I’ve seen tons of questions spiral into theoretical debates and not get solved, and I wish that wasn’t the case, because it can be very difficult for beginners like me to find up-to-date information and pointers.</p>
<p>I’ll likely be writing a tutorial sometime on implementing API auth, once I get a little bit better at Phoenix and Elixir <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>And yes, Phoenix rocks for API development. It’s a pleasure.</p> 
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								<p>The problem is how people use jwt for authentication, it’s not really done for that.</p>
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<p>Nothing related to Phoenix, except we can use Phoenix Token instead as they are lighter than jwt.</p> 
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								<p>Thank you for the pointers. What solution can we use for API centric/SPA development?</p>
<p>Do Phoenix tokens store information like user ID securely, to easily use it in a Plug?</p>
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<p>The only difference is Phoenix Token cannot be decrypted client side, while JWT can be.</p> 
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								<p>Isn’t that a possible benefit though?</p>
<p>The cool thing about claims on JWT is that you can use them on the client and store arbitrary data (say a user object) and not have to fetch that data on client again, unless to update it regularly.</p>
<p>e.g. you store a token in client, and in first load you have the user’s profile already loaded, rather than doing another roundtrip to the server or storing it in local storage.</p>
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