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<p>I was wondering what the security implications of this are?</p>
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<p>If you mean user authentication/authorization - there is none. It is not in the Drab’s scope. If you mean how user may tamper with requests (running event handlers in the controller) - I built it with security in my mind. There is always a token, values stored in the client side are always signed.</p>
<p>For the new module, Drab.Live, where you can update assigns you had in the template, live - all the expressions are stored in DETS on the server side, so the client knows only hashes of them.</p>
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<p>Magic is good!<br>
As a first step of Drab, I’ve created an API to have the jQuery methods on the browser side. Not very easy to learn, even I need to take a look on docs from time to time. No magic, just work.</p>
<p>Magic is coming in the second step (upcoming v0.5.0):<br>
Imagine you’ve rendered the template in the controller. This page is now showed in the browser. And magically, using Drab.Live, you may update your assigns, remotely. No need to change the template, no need to learn a new framework, except two functions peeking and pokeing your assigns from/to page. Minimum to learn.</p>
<p>First functionality is already working, check out <a href="https://tg.pl/drab/live" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://tg.pl/drab/live</a>.</p> 
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								<p>This might be a stupid question, but does the live controller work with if expressions (as it does with for expressions?) if so, then this replaces 90% of what I use VueJS (a JS framework) for. The other 10% are preserving the cursor position in a textarea when the UI changes…</p> 
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								<p>I have to start learning drab, then. Is it very resource intensive to keep the channel open so that you can manipulate the DOM? In terms of latency, of course, nothing beats client side JS, but for things that must talk to the server Drab doesn’t add any latency.</p>
<p>My only worry is the fact that I need to keep the channel open. I’m used to the “fire and forget” module of python’s frameworks, in which you send the request and forget it exists.</p>
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<p>Rather than ‘not really’, let me say: Really not! Persistent connections is what Elixir/Phoenix excels in, in respect to other webframeworks out there. Because of the preemptive scheduling used by the BEAM (the Elixir virtual machine), when some connections are slow or hang, the rest of your system will remain performant and degrade gracefully under heavy load. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SbWapbXhKo" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Solid Ground</a> by  Saša Juric is a presentation that goes into more detail about how this works <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> .</p> 
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								<p>Thanks for the link to the talk <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
I’m continuously amazed by how intuitive elixir is, compared to everything else I’ve tried.<br>
Want to know what’s taking so long? Just ask the system!</p>
<p>The BEAM runtime is really amazing, and I wonder why it’s not more popular, especially with something like Elixir as a frontend</p> 
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								<p>Thanks for the responses!</p>
<p>Can someone put up a quick demo of unpoly and drab live on github?  i’d love to see how they work together as I’m considering abandoning Elm.</p>
<p>Another area I am wondering about is mobile.  How would this work for a mobile app?</p> 
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