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<p>+1<br>
I like the idea, but I will leave parenthesis optional, but enforce using it in examples and docs.</p> 
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								<p>Hi <a class="mention" href="/u/grych" rel="nofollow">@grych</a>, thank you for the nice package!</p>
<p>There is an idea in meteor framework called <a href="http://www.discovermeteor.com/blog/latency-compensation/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">latency compensation</a>. I like that idea a lot.</p>
<p>Following is the difference between the old-school ajax way and the meteor’s way (latency compensation) for a request-response-update cycle (copied from the linked post).</p>
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Let’s step back and pick a concrete example: insert a post in a database, then add it to a list of posts. The typical, pre-Meteor flow would look something like:</p>
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Send a post to the server via AJAX.<br>
Wait for response from the server.<br>
Add the new post to the list.<br>
Nothing wrong with that, but we did just introduce a bunch of latency (i.e. waiting time) in our user experience.</p>
<p>The Meteor Way<br>
Instead, here’s how Meteor does it:</p>
<p>User submits form.<br>
Call Posts.insert().<br>
Simulate the results of that insertion on the client.<br>
Use result of the simulation to add the new post right away.<br>
Get response from the server.<br>
If we got the simulation wrong, correct the mistake (more on that later).</p>
<p>Let’s pause a second here. What exactly gives Meteor the ability to perform this kind of simulation on the client, when frameworks like Angular or Ember can do no such thing?</p>
<p>It all boils down to another one of the other Seven Principles.</p>
<p>If you’re trying to insert a post in a database, you need, well, a database. This is where the database everywhere principle comes in: because Meteor can store a subset of the database on the client, it can perform operations against it and get a fairly good idea of what the result will look like on the server.</p>
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<p>This method is also great for chat systems, where a user experiencing latency (of a second or so) because of her/his slow connection may be an unpleasant experience which can be eliminated by the usage of latency compensation.</p>
<p><strong>I think copying the latency compensation from meteor will be very easy for Drab which already uses local-storage and session-storage.</strong></p> 
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								<p>Hey, thanks for pointing this!</p>
<p>Anyway, I don’t think it could work with Drab.</p>
<p>All the work is done on the server side. So there is no way that Drab client side JS can simulate the result of any action, as it could literally be anything.</p>
<p>We could allow user to register some JS callbacks launched at the event, so you could develop your own simulation and set up some value immediately, before server returns the real value. I just don’t like the idea: the whole concept with Drab was to get rid of javascript.</p>
<p>But it is true, the latency is an issue from UX point of view. This is why <code>click</code> event senders are disabled by default until the response comes back. Just a one trick, but makes a difference.</p> 
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								<p>I think the way it stands you can implement optimistic updates (the actual name for this behavior as far as I know) on a case by case basis considering most of the work is in replicating the data model on the client and the server. Making a library that is supposed to sit alongside Drab and that could facilitate that would probably be the way to go. It’ll allow Drab to do what it does and focus on what it’s made for while also possibly allowing for extending the use case for Drab in the future if this other library advances enough.</p> 
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								<p>##<span class="hashtag-raw">#What</span> if we could write the optimistic updates on the server side, using Elixir and Drab.Element-like DSL?</p>
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								<p>Looks like my dream (of having latency compensation in Phoenix apps) through Drab is possible! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>For those interested:</p>
<p>example of drab under and umbrella with a non-drab app routing non-wss traffic by host</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/jschoch/drab_umbrella_example" class="onebox" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://github.com/jschoch/drab_umbrella_example</a></p>
<p>Please comment if there is a better way to do this and if there are any more maintainable ways to route sockets around.</p> 
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