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								<p>Hi <a class="mention" href="/u/wolfdan" rel="nofollow">@WolfDan</a>,<br>
I would say it is in the Beta stage now. I must change this warning some day <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">, it is still there since it was just a proof-of-concept. But the only real page I made with Drab, is the <a href="https://tg.pl/drab" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">demo page</a>.</p>
<p>To obtain a rough roadmap, please take a look on my answer to <a class="mention" href="/u/max" rel="nofollow">@Max</a> <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/drab-phoenix-library-for-server-side-dom-access/3277/69" rel="nofollow">above</a>.</p>
<p>At this point I am still working on the twist to change the default library from inspired by jQuery to … something completely new <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> The next step would be going to production, by refactor some core code and eliminate know issues (two so far).</p>
<p>You are very welcome to get and try it! Every test counts.</p> 
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								<p>All right! The projects looks simply awesome, just a few things…</p>
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<li>Sometimes feel really slow:<br>
<a href="https://tg.pl/drab#simple" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Drab: Server Side User Interface Access</a> you click and do pretty slow<br>
Drab Store and access to Plug Session “Show Counter Value” fells really really slow</li>
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<p>Maybe its my internet or the server idk</p>
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<p>I think the potential of the project its awesome by the simple way that you can get data on server and show with on the web browser the same language that is coded the backend side! (Also have disanvantages, for example I can use Graphql for the project, absinthe just works for server side not client so I don’t have any way to use absinthe in this case [I speak in my ignorance, I do not know the whole library ^^])</p> 
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<p>Hmm I never had an issue with the speed. Maybe because the server is in Europe and I reside now in Geneva. Before, the demo page was running on the old mac mini in my flat in Warsaw, connected with the cable operator, and I never observed any issue with the processing speed.</p>
<p>Anyway, the project needs benchmarking. It is on the todo list.</p>
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<p>Do you mean SEO of the demo/tutorial page? Yep, should do at some point.</p>
<p>BTW, I am not the best in inventing the catchy phrases. “library for server-side DOM access”, “server side UI access”, “the jQuery in elixir”, “Access the browser User Interface from the Server Side” is the only I could find out. I need something brief and short (like legendary “Productive |&gt; Reliable |&gt; Fast”). Help needed!</p>
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<p>Your demo page is very non-immediate for me as well, yet my local site is pretty instant.  I’m in the USA so I just chalk it up to normal latency as the page itself takes a second before it loads anyway.  ^.^</p>
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<p>I mean server side render, for thing like metadata (description, title, etc…)</p>
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<p>Rendering is always done by Phoenix! Of course you can update meta or title with Drab, but google will never see it <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Drab works <em><strong>after</strong></em> the page is rendered.</p> 
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<p>Your demo page is very non-immediate for me as well, yet my local site is pretty instant.  I’m in the USA so I just chalk it up to normal latency as the page itself takes a second before it loads anyway.</p>
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<p>I guess that’s the issue. It is fine to wait 1 second, when you click the <em>uppercase me</em> example. But, if the server reads some values from the browser while handling an event, and every read is about a second… we have a problem.</p>
<p>This is what I want to solve with the new library. Rather than using DOM as a database, like <code>Drab.Query</code> does, it should cache it for reading on the server-side, and push the changes only on demand.</p>
<p>The other question is, how this latency compares to the similar AJAX call. This needs to be benchmarked.</p> 
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<p>I guess that’s the issue. It is fine to wait 1 second, when you click the uppercase me example. But, if the server reads some values from the browser while handling an event, and every read is about a second… we have a problem.</p>
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<p>That would explain why a lot of it is slow.  ^.^</p>
<p>Need to batch commands then!</p> 
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If you have a server around, and few minutes, could you please run the copy of the Demo page (<a href="https://github.com/grych/drab-poc" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">GitHub - grych/drab-poc: Drab (DOM access from the server) proof-of-concept and playground · GitHub</a>) and expose it to the public? It does not require any additional resources. It would be good if I observe the latency myself, I would know what we are talking about.</p> 
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