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<p>Don’t fall for it <a class="mention" href="/u/lud" rel="nofollow">@lud</a> - I did (after seeing <a class="mention" href="/u/hauleth" rel="nofollow">@hauleth</a>’s pics in <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/what-keyboard-do-you-use/3303/108" rel="nofollow">this thread</a> and <a href="https://forum.devtalk.com/t/which-keyboard-do-you-have/224/15?u=astonj" rel="nofollow">on DT</a> - as well as <a class="mention" href="/u/dusty" rel="nofollow">@Dusty</a>’s <a href="https://forum.devtalk.com/t/which-keyboard-do-you-have/224/11?u=astonj" rel="nofollow">pics</a>) but ortholinear AND tiny is a lot to get used to. You can’t deny <a href="https://forum.devtalk.com/t/planck-vs-preonic-vs-subatomic-keyboards/4612/5?u=astonj" rel="nofollow">they are beautiful</a> and the cool factor is definitely high, but I would recommend trying to find someone local to try theirs before purchasing. I knew it wasn’t for me as soon as I tried it (maybe I should have given it more time but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have changed how I felt).</p>
<p>I think if I go for a non-Apple keyboard next I would focus more on ergonomics and practically and to what feels natural to type on (so no unnatural raising of the wrists or placement of arms or extension, etc).</p>
<p>When I think about what kind of keyboard that might look like (when sitting at a desk) your elbows are usually further out than your hands, so your fingers extend in a triangular line towards the apex, with the most accessible area forming a heart shape. So with that in mind perhaps only smaller adjustments to the standard keyboard might be all that’s needed? (Perhaps two additional smaller keys under the space bar and the lesser used keys from the far edges (esp on the right hand side) moved above the top row (or inserted before the even lesser used top row keys). Then it could be made into a splittable keyboard for even more custom fitting/placement.</p>
<p>Shall we design our own <em>perfect</em> keyboard? <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/776053aa22968f83c10e90c98b23aa0ddd5c9d47.gif?v=15" title=":lol:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":lol:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>Is anyone getting one of these Preonic keyboards?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/keyboardio/preonic" rel="nofollow">https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/keyboardio/preonic</a></p>
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<p>I’d echo my thoughts above James - I think ortholinear keyboards feel very unnatural to type on (for me anyway) unless they were angled perhaps..</p> 
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								<p>Yeah, <a class="mention" href="/u/lud" rel="nofollow">@lud</a>, don’t fall for it! <a class="mention" href="/u/hauleth" rel="nofollow">@hauleth</a> and I are definitely not having the most awesome experience that would blow your mind, and you definitely wouldn’t want to <a href="https://github.com/dustypomerleau/qmk_firmware/blob/6a91e6fcfcb91b282f4fe278580a2ed7e8597881/keyboards/planck/rev7/keymaps/dustypomerleau/keymap.c" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">use my keymap as  a starting point</a> to have your own awesome experience.</p>
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								<p>I really wanted to like it Dusty <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/sob.png?v=15" title=":sob:" class="emoji" alt=":sob:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>It’s without doubt one of the nicest looking keyboards around <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6859d251eb1d30084c330dd451119e07820d3619.gif?v=15" title=":007:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":007:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>But soooooo difficult to get used to. Did it take you long to get used to it? Do you have any tips for anyone who might want to try one? <em>(Go all in or just increase use over time etc?..)</em></p> 
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								<p>I have no fears. I am still coding on my laptop’s keyboard, using its screen too with a second larger screen behind. I think everything else would be better.</p> 
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								<p>Just commit. Really commit. I am 6 years into this layout. I took the time to optimize at the beginning, and now I don’t change it. I carry a Planck in my bag at all times. If I take my laptop on vacation, I bring a Planck EZ. I don’t use any other keyboards. I don’t try to switch back and forth. I don’t care about maintaining QWERTY, or pinky shift muscle memory, or being able to “sometimes use a staggered board.” I gave up everything for this layout. We are ride or die. If you don’t believe in your layout, your layout won’t believe in you—go back to the drawing board until you have no doubt.</p> 
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								<p>As a practical matter, I put my main thumb key (like space bar) directly below home row index finger (right below the M on your board). Most Planck layouts put the space bar further toward the center of the board, but this creates a completely different hand position, which is quite unnatural in the way it forces you to pronate and reach, IMO. The combination of using a wide mod, with pinkies at the edge of the board and the hands a bit further apart, along with resting the thumb below the index finger, allows that little bit of supination that makes the hand relax. I think a lot of Planck layouts fight against anatomy a bit, putting keys where it seems like they should go, rather than where the hand naturally rests. Hand size obviously has a lot to do with it, so you need to experiment.</p> 
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								<p>I personally use keyboard that my laptop comes with.<img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiling_face.png?v=15" title=":smiling_face:" class="emoji" alt=":smiling_face:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Here is my “full” desk when I feel like having a second screen and a keyboard/mouse.<br>
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Otherwise it’s just the vanilla macbook air.<p></p>
<p>This second screen is a 14" that only weighs 600g ! I 3d printed it a hard case to be able to put it in my bike’s pouch without trouble.</p>
<p>This little keyboard is the one I removed all lighting from.</p> 
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								<p>Thanks Dusty - you (and <a class="mention" href="/u/hauleth" rel="nofollow">@hauleth</a>) should consider doing some YouTube vids helping people get used to it <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/blush.png?v=15" title=":blush:" class="emoji" alt=":blush:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>If you were designing the Planck (or another keyboard) yourself, what changes would you make or do differently?</p> 
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								<p>Looks good Lucas, and I like the purple keycaps!</p>
<p>If you’ve got an iPad you could also use it as an additional display - shame you can’t use two - one either side of a Laptop would be pretty neat <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/3a30b8d856b321b56a083b43a1d89624be195466.gif?v=15" title=":024:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":024:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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