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<p>Hi AstonJ, did you build the social networking app, yet? I’ve a similar idea to build an app for doctors appointment… I’m right now learning to work with absinthe but I’m stuck at authenticating an user on web and mobile app <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/frowning.png?v=15" title=":frowning:" class="emoji" alt=":frowning:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p><a class="mention" href="/u/astonj" rel="nofollow">@AstonJ</a> We’re using Elixir to build an ethical social media ecosystem. Would love to chat sometime if you’re interested.</p>
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<p>Sorry for the delay in getting back to you both (thanks for the reminder <span class="mention">@troo_co</span>!)</p>
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<p><a class="mention" href="/u/happybee" rel="nofollow">@HappyBee</a> - It is my long term project/goal <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> I quite like my life as it is and I’m only too aware how drastically that could change subject to a successful project in the space <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/776053aa22968f83c10e90c98b23aa0ddd5c9d47.gif?v=15" title=":lol:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":lol:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> I have enough crazy ‘stalkers’ as it is and the sites I’ve run to date are tiny in comparison to the big SNs <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/35766b1a01a84df440f412d59b52c782808258f0.gif?v=15" title=":043:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":043:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Seriously tho, I really value being able to have genuine interactions with everyday people and I’d hate being in a position where I’d have to second guess whether those interactions were sincere - but at the same time I feel like it’s something I must do (when I think about it it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/8/8aa2b2d8a8f5cfcd5648f8d158ddf6835c8bcd49.gif?v=15" title=":icon_redface:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":icon_redface:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">) so it’s definitely something I aim to do but I am quite happy taking my time getting there. Good luck with yours and I look forward to hearing more about it on the forum!</p>
<p><span class="mention">@troo_co</span> - thanks for thinking of me Michael (and the DM)! Your project sounds really cool! You might also want to check out SNs like <a class="mention" href="/u/pleroma" rel="nofollow">@pleroma</a> (<a href="https://pleroma.social/?utm_source=elixirforum" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">Pleroma — a lightweight fediverse server</a>) or <a class="mention" href="/u/f0rest8" rel="nofollow">@f0rest8</a>’s SN <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/social-network-projects-under-active-development/37296/3" rel="nofollow">Metamorphic</a> <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> With regards to joining your team, as mentioned to HappyBee, I’m not quite ready to dive in to a big SN yet, but I will definitely keep a look out for yours <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/sunglasses.png?v=15" title=":sunglasses:" class="emoji" alt=":sunglasses:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Thanks for thinking of me and good luck, I hope you keep us posted on the forum <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a1c41c89c299189a3f85edfeb4973563d8bac781.gif?v=15" title=":023:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":023:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>but Telegram has like 30 million people in it now</p>
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<p>More like 500 million <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>It’s mostly paranoia. You can use <code>GenServer</code> mailboxes for the same things just fine; however if a node falls down you’ll lose a lot of enqueued data. So using Kafka in particular is a way of saying “whatever makes it to our servers we want it enqueued and persisted AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and have super fast background workers that pick it up milliseconds later and process it”.</p>
<p>Why Rust? No particular reason to pick it over Elixir except if you want less nodes to manage in your k8s cluster (if you use k8s at all which you ideally should not). But Rust will definitely give you some performance advantage plus you can fine-tune it very well; e.g. “let’s have these 10 background workers and they’ll each be responsible for this or that Kafka partition”. But Elixir’s concurrency levels can be fine-tuned as well so no particular advantage here. Rust wins mostly on raw speed and very small memory footprint.</p>
<p>So my advice was mostly aimed at super high load servers where you can fine-tune your storage and code.</p>
<p>But if you don’t care about the above aspects then just using Elixir and utilize <code>GenServer</code> mailboxes will get you VERY far.</p> 
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								<p>Discord write its backned in  Elixir with some help of Rust ( NIF ) for mutable data structure .</p>
<p>Facebook wrote whole messaging service in erlang before</p>
<p>Whatsapp and wechat work pretty great with very high clients numbers.</p>
<p>Elixir/Erlang ( Beam ) made for Communication.</p>
<p>Even you can write Twitter in Elixir/Erlang</p>
<p>But for Many tools around its like Machine learning and distributed processing or Analyzing data  you 100% need another tools/language like Python, JVM based project ( Apache … ) or Scala ( Spark )</p> 
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<p>This 100% affirmation is misleading, because Elixir already supported it in 2022, not as much tools and libs available as the old players mentioned, but its catching up quickly.</p> 
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								<p>…sorta. It’s 2024 and we just had to pivot off of Elixir over to python for an ML project because the relevant library didn’t support categorical encodings properly. It is definitely coming a long way, and much of the tooling is arguably superior. BUT it’s still true that for a lot of ML stuff you’re gonna find it mandatory to use python or other languages.</p> 
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								<p>I’ve actually wondered about this, but my question is slightly different:</p>
<p>Can Phoenix/LiveView be used to implement a social-network-scale user interfaces, since user state is kept on the server?</p> 
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<p>we just had to pivot off of Elixir over to python for an ML project because the relevant library didn’t support categorical encodings properly.</p>
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<p>Is this filed in GitHub issues or stuff?</p> 
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								<p>If i understand you correctly you’re worried about RAM usage, I don’t think storing user state on server is going to be a bottleneck as long as you know how to use <a href="https://fly.io/phoenix-files/phoenix-dev-blog-streams/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">LiveView streams</a> and few other liveview features so you don’t have to store everything insde the assigns all the time, could you describe a scenario in which storing user state on server could be a problem?</p> 
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