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								<p>True I rarely see a job open for a Junior developer.</p>
<p>But what is a Junior/Senior developer? For me the number of years working as a programmer doesn’t define that title at all. I have worked with devs that work in big corporations for 20+ years and they never heard of programming principles like SOLID, loose coupling, TDD, etc. They want job security, a company car, a maximum number of holidays, spend all their time with their family, and are not passionate in programming at all and never improved over their 20+ years of programming. Just get the job done, hack the code, accumulate a huge technical debt over time, short term vision.</p>
<p>For me a Senior profile is a developer that can produce clean, maintainable, extensible and readable code, and that knows the language. You may work for a year and be a Senior, if you grasp things fast. If a company considers you Junior <em>only</em> because of lack of working experience, it’s just an excuse to get you cheap, or I think most commonly that don’t understand that time spent working doesn’t define your skills. Ofc time spent programming still counts as you improve over time, but that is relative to each person.</p>
<p>I guess companies looking for Elixir developers are smaller companies, and they are then in a more fast-paced environment, and don’t have the resources to train beginners in programming. Also a company going for Elixir is probably that some tech person pushed that technology in the company because they care about software quality, and a junior developer can quickly compromise a clean codebase if he is not assisted, and if he doesn’t know the art of producing clean code. Big corporates that tend to use more mainstream languages don’t care so much.</p>
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								<p>Yeah it’s true, most of the elixir users are small teams doesn’t have have resources to train beginners and new elixir developer’s,</p>
<p>One more of my observations: Nowadays blockchain technology is gaining lot of attention on the market and elixir adaption is happening significantly on blockchain development because I being interviewed for blockchain development roles(multiple times) and I see lot blockchain related startup’s using elixir as their main programming language</p>
<p>It’s kind of Elixir and blockchain made in heaven pair, because whatever technical requirements blockchain needs it’s already there in elixir,<br>
Built-in concurrency, scalability, long run able software, distributed systems, achieve lot with less code, Immutable data, cryptography</p>
<p>And I’m thinking to start YouTube channel and create free elixir tutorials targeting blockchain technology and IOT technology for beginners so that I can learn elixir and do contribute something to elixir ecosystem. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smile.png?v=15" title=":smile:" class="emoji" alt=":smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Wow, that’s cool! I can’t wait to take your video courses.</p> 
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								<p>My personal thoughts are that there are companies hiring junior elixir developers, but that these roles are not advertised as specifically elixir roles. You’re going to be much more willing to teach a junior your stack VS a more senior person, the expectation is that the onboarding time will be less, so they want you to have a strong grasp of the language before you start working there.</p> 
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								<p>If you look at the job postings, at least for the remote ones the vast majority is for senior if not lead positions, often with extensive professional experience in Elixir.</p>
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<p>Exactly. They want people who can hack around the codebase right away because someone quit or their workload is too important and they didn’t plan it beforehand. So even if you have experience with other stacks it’s not easy.</p> 
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								<p>I know what you’re saying - when I was just reading about job experiences online, it seemed like Elixir is in high demand and not many devs, so finding a job should be easy.  But whenever I apply for an Elixir position (in the USA), it seems like there are many other qualified applicants, because I will get passed over without even a technical interview.  Maybe it is the sources I use to look for positions (Elixir Forum, Elixir Slack, Stackoverflow) where the other applicants are also very experienced in Elixir.</p> 
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								<p>Regarding looking for a job, I would strongly encourage you to attend ElixirConf US or ElixirConf EU, especially this year. The virtual ticket is just a fraction of the cost and you still get access to all the hiring companies. Last time I did that, I got in touch with something like 5 interesting companies.</p> 
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								<p>My company, dscout, is opening our Elixir openings to developers interested in Elixir even if they do not have production experience. <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/junior-principal-elixir-developers-at-dscout-remote-chicago-us/37099" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">Junior/Principal Elixir Developers at Dscout (Remote/Chicago, US)</a></p> 
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								<p>There are companies hiring elixir developers (my employer for example, hit me up (Twitter binarytemple) if you want to discuss). Thing is, most of the work is backend, high performance stuff and there’s a general moratorium on anyone without a computer science degree as its considered (rightly or wrongly) the easiest way to filter out the more “framework oriented” software developer. Anyhow, point is, if you’ve got the educational qualifications there’s lots of Fortune 500 work out there, if you don’t, you better get entrepreneurial and start your own company like Ellison, Zuck, Gates, Jobs, etc.</p> 
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								<p>Elixir has been great for me. I already had experience on paper to go for senior positions.</p>
<p>It niched me down which provides clarity of purpose. And I reslly enjoy working with it.</p>
<p>The hiring thing is tricky to talk about because even among intermediate to senior people some will have the experience that it is hard. Some that it is easy. This is likely where people share anecdotes and the real answer is that we don’t have data.</p>
<p>Also, hiring processes are pretty arbitrary and full of human factors. So someone can have a hard time for reasons unrelated to the opportunities out there.</p>
<p>I think it is quite doable to find work in Elixir when you have some experience. I do consulting so I don’t look for employment. I’ve had plenty of opportunities for both.</p>
<p>Now, with a clearer niche you also give up some conveniences. There’s a bit of a lottery on whether local opportunity exists at all but you’d be surprised, I’ve had multiple in Gothenburg which is not a big place.</p>
<p>Remote is what I’d suggest if that works for you. Some people also move for work. Haven’t tried that.</p>
<p>Now junior opportunity sucks. I think it sucks industry-wide. It is the long-tail of job openings, everyone is asking for experience. Our long-tail means that the postings for juniors are in single digits. The juniors I know that look for Python or JS work aren’t happy either. If you are in this situation, reach out on email, I can’t guarantee opportunity but I’m happy to try to help.</p>
<p>Elixir has been a very good choice for me in several dimensions. Primarily satisfaction. Even did a recent post about it: <a href="https://underjord.io/it-is-not-about-elixir.html" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Underjord | It is not about Elixir</a></p> 
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