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								<p>As LostKobrakai, it’s actually a good feature that Ecto only does what you ask and performs no “guessing”.</p>
<p>You can avoid the extra query if you preload on a join, in this case Ecto <em>is</em> smart enough to know that comments has already been retrieved, because you’ve basically been explicit about what to get and how to get it.</p>
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<p>This has the side effect that you could actually filter the comments in query but still get them “preloaded” for example.</p> 
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								<p>I’d be curious: I have User has_many Enrollments. I’m loading Enrollments, but I need user.name with each of them.</p>
<p>Right now I do a preload, but that feels inefficient. Isn’t this a situation where a join would actually make more sense? It’s a join, but a single query.</p>
<p>How does one actually measure and compare these things, please?</p> 
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<p>You should run some benchmarks on your production setup to figure this out. This may depend on a lot of factors and put different loads on different parts of your infrastructure (app vs DB).</p>
<p>Feels like you’re right about this one, but without the actual numbers this is just guesswork.</p> 
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<p>Exactly. Loading the user name for each enrollment is probably optimal as a single join. However, loading a post body for each comment (same overall query structure) would be horribly inefficient as a join because the post body (a large string) would be copied dozens or even hundreds of times. Ecto has no a priori way of knowing the shape or size of your data. The default adds a fixed cost (latency) in order to avoid basically all cases of combinatorial explosion.</p> 
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