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								<p>DB, no DB. Uncle Bob has much to say about that:</p>
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								<p><a class="mention" href="/u/gwww" rel="nofollow">@gwww</a>  Great articles!</p>
<p>Like really liked the “6 Commandments of Architecture”</p>
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								<p><a class="mention" href="/u/easco" rel="nofollow">@easco</a>, Thanks for clearing that up.</p>
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<p>I’m starting to get the essence of the idea.</p>
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<p><a class="mention" href="/u/easco" rel="nofollow">@easco</a>, have you by any chance read <a href="https://pragprog.com/book/lhelph/functional-web-development-with-elixir-otp-and-phoenix" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Functional Web Development with Elixir, OTP, and Phoenix</a> by <a class="mention" href="/u/lance" rel="nofollow">@lance</a>?</p>
<p>As far as I can see the approach in the book does exactly what <a class="mention" href="/u/sasajuric" rel="nofollow">@sasajuric</a> “warns about” in <a href="http://theerlangelist.com/article/spawn_or_not" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">To spawn, or not to spawn?</a></p>
<p><strong>Would anyone like to comment on that?</strong></p>
<p>I’m now at the point where I’d like to implement my homebrewing app as a Elixir-only app first and only when that is done I’ll decide on persistance and web interface.</p>
<p>But I’m still having difficulties modeling the buisness logic and I feel like I’m getting conflicting advice <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/expressionless.png?v=15" title=":expressionless:" class="emoji" alt=":expressionless:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>This is addressed here and in the few following posts: <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/new-pragprog-book-functional-web-development-with-elixir-otp-and-phoenix/4231/60" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">Functional Web Development with Elixir, OTP, and Phoenix (Pragprog) - #60 by mjadczak</a></p> 
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Lance and I are working with some great reviewers to make sure we address this feedback. We’re going to shift the approach for the two chapters in question, the chapter on modeling and the chapter on wrapping the result in OTP.</p>
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<p>As far as I can see the approach in the book does exactly what <a class="mention" href="/u/sasajuric" rel="nofollow">@sasajuric</a> “warns about” in To spawn, or not to spawn?</p>
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<p>Yes I did read it and. I noticed that.  As others pointed out there was a thread of discussion on the topic.</p>
<p>I’m a homebrewer myself perhaps if you posted some details of your model folks could help you place bits and pieces.</p> 
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I think it’s good to have some perspective outside of some fairly exotic scenarios you really do want a database. You are very unlikely to be able to have a performant alternative at reasonable cost outside of fairly niche scenarios.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. And really still think. But I would love to be proven wrong.</p>
<p>And I think that the point of “you don’t need a database. Databases are not your friends”-vibe is more a <strong>“Don’t design a database and put an application on top of it. Design your app and use whatever presistance makes sense for the app. If any”</strong></p>
<p>– as far as I’ve gathered anyways</p> 
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<p>I’m a homebrewer myself perhaps if you posted some details of your model folks could help you place bits and pieces.</p>
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<p>I’ll try doing that. Thanks for suggesting it.</p> 
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