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								<p>Curious which plugins you needed to disable.</p>
<p>I disabled the following plugins:</p>
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<li>flash - can’t stand ‘/’ search being broken and 30+ years of using ‘s’ to substitute. The problem with “jump search” plugins is that when you type something that <strong>doesn’t</strong> match every character typed is interpreted as normal mode leading to random commands. Horrid.</li>
<li>mini.indentscope - seemed to cause slow down navigating and scrolling through code.</li>
<li>noice.nvim - it’s experimental and it broke command line :%s/search/replace plus some other command line weirdness. I much the traditional command line vs a goofy popup anyway.</li>
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<p>My criticism of all vim distros and indeed LazyVim in this instance is including plugins that are highly experimental or plugins that break long standing vi/vim behaviours.</p>
<p>Even if it is trivial to disable a plugin it does create an issue of “discovery” as it’s not always obvious what plugin is responsible for the undesirable behaviour.</p>
<p>That grievance aside, LazyVim is very transparent with its configuration and there is no lock in to any particular set of plugins or plugin configuration. In that respect LazyVim is a clean starter config and still strikes a good balance vs boostraping nvim from scratch.</p>
<p>The thing I always consider is can I refer to any particular plugin documentation and apply it as described. Does my nvim distribution create its own special configuration “levers, settings and overrides” which has lots of magic and pre-canned defaults with <em>limited</em> overrides but still a <strong>lot</strong> of things that cannot be changed.</p>
<p>LazyVim is the only distribution I found other than bootstrapping myself that didn’t fall into the configuration tar pit.</p> 
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<p>This is very true. One does have to experiment with different plugins to work out what’s important or more to taste and what’s just fluff.</p>
<p>I think any vim user should really go though each plugin and assess if they actually need or use it. It’s better to err on the side of minimalist configuration and critically assess if a plugin is <em>earning it’s rent</em> in your configuration.</p>
<p>It’s better to develop the itch for something first, then actually understand if there’s a plugin that makes life better, understand how to use it and then <strong>actually use it</strong> to develop the muscle memory.</p>
<p>Adding a bunch of plugins all at once that you <em>might</em> use but don’t take the time to actually learn them is kind of pointless. We are all guilty of this.</p> 
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<p>That goes for every editor “distro” though. I’m deeply ashamed what huge chunk of my life and career I spent on Emacs’ arcane trickery but in all honesty, LazyVim and LunarVim are not hugely better; though they’re still much easier than Emacs.</p>
<p>I personally prefer Lunar simply because I get a lot out of the box. Contrary to the misguided “hacker” and wide-eyed philosophy of “make it 100% your own by tinkering with it all the time!” I actually want to spend time in the real world.</p>
<p>Lunar gives me that, though I have to admit that I had to peek under the hood more than I wanted to. Sigh.</p>
<p>I like explicitness and opting in to stuff so maybe I’ll migrate to Lazy at one point. But I started looking at these as billable hours and that changes the decision making process on whether to engage in such activities drastically.</p>
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<p>Absolutely this. No need to just add everything to feel cool.</p> 
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<p>oh yes that’s it! That’s super annoying. There was one thing I never figured out in LazyVim that it did for unknown rason and is that it didn’t work well within tmux environment. The way I am used to work is that I spawn Tmux, and within Tmux I spawn Vim.</p>
<p>For some reason, my LaziVim was in conflict with Tmux, and it’d move lines around when I didn’t want to, and often also wouldn’t catch the last character entered before going back to the normal mode with escape.</p>
<p>I am sure I will eventually just hand craft my own, like I did in the good old Vim 7/8 days, which may be for the best as these Vim distributions often are short-lived and stop being maintained.</p> 
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<p>Fair enough, I might end up doing the same but in the meantime LunarVim has been around for a while and the maintainers really did seem like they care and listen (f.ex. they made a special effort to have the separate <code>lvim</code> executable so people can still tinker with <code>nvim</code> separately; they also made sure the stable releases don’t break [easily]).</p> 
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								<p>glad to hear it. How long you’ve been using it for? I’m literally on a third day or so xD</p> 
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<p>This isn’t misguided if you actually enjoy doing it, although expecting everyone to do is misguided… which is probably what you were saying now that I think about it!</p>
<p>I learned vim in a similar way as already described here: I installed <a href="https://github.com/carlhuda/janus" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Janus</a> and used it for a bit while learning what I liked about it. Then I moved that over into my own config.  I did spend a few years tweaking my setup to death but I barely touch it now.  I also mostly know what every single line does!  About twice a year I read through it and if there is anything I don’t use anymore I delete it.  It’s possible for it to be a mostly one-time endeavour to build up a good vim config, you just can’t be a constant editor-switcher.  But ya, as <a class="mention" href="/u/adw632" rel="nofollow">@adw632</a> said, you’re asking for pain if you install a plugin “just in case you want to use it”.</p>
<p>I found consistency in the vanilla Vim world by sticking to a certain “style” of plugin.  I chose tpope as a base pretty early on and mostly only install plugins that either build off of his plugins or that follow similar ethos—<a href="https://github.com/junegunn" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">junegunn</a>, <a href="https://github.com/mhinz" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">mhinz</a>, <a href="https://github.com/AndrewRadev" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">AndrewRadev</a> to name very few.  For example, I only use plugins written solely in vimscript.  The exception is when a compiled language is used for performance reasons, but if it’s a fairly simple plugin written in Python or Ruby then it’s usually a hard no.  A little less important is that if a plugin defined leader mappings out of the box, that is red flag for me and requires some investigation.  This probably seems a little obtuse, but the leader key is <em>my</em> key and if plugins are touching it that is signal that the authors are <em>potentially</em> willing to be cavalier about plugin-related things in general.  In any event, this has given me a rock solid setup for years.  I’ve only ever had one conflict that I can remember (I remember it because it was really bad and I dealt with the pain for an embarrassingly long time).</p> 
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<p>For some reason, my LaziVim was in conflict with Tmux, and it’d move lines around when I didn’t want to, and often also wouldn’t catch the last character entered before going back to the normal mode with escape.</p>
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<p>There was a nerdfont 3.0 update which was buggy with certain icon width issues and this caused problems with some plugins like lualine and cmp which happen to use the affected code points. It wasn’t just tmux but a number of terminals that were affected by the font update.</p>
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<p>although expecting everyone to do is misguided… which is probably what you were saying now that I think about it!</p>
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<p>Yes that’s exactly it, sorry for not clarifying. I mean that almost everyone who makes developer tools expects you to tinker with their thing. Extremely short-sighted, not to mention annoying. You do get burned out after doing it 5000+ times, you know. But the youngsters don’t know that yet.</p> 
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