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								<p>Well this is beyond my knowledge but could it be that your HTTP library maintains long-lived connections that it believes to be still open but are actually closed because the laptop went to sleep, so when it tries to use them again it fails because it could not handle the closed event in a “normal” way?</p>
<p>Now, thanks to the way OTP works, I guess your app still works, doesn’t it? Oban will retry the jobs, the HTTP library will recover and in the end all your jobs should be processed. If that is the case then I would consider the app to be fine : unexpected errors are handled by restarting processes and resuming to a working state.</p>
<p>Hopefully productions servers do not go to sleep <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I suspect I found the problem. I strongly believe related to hot-reloads with Phoenix.</p>
<p>I came back from sleep (long-running session) and triggered two consecutive hot reloads in the dev server. Jobs started getting killed, and thanks to <a class="mention" href="/u/cmo" rel="nofollow">@cmo</a>’s logging snippet I started seeing this error pop up:</p>
<pre data-code-wrap="elixir"><code class="lang-elixir">[error] Child :undefined of Supervisor {Oban.Registry, {Oban, {:foreman, "default"}}} terminated
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<p>I’m still working to nail down a true path to replicate, but this is a good step – there’s a trace.</p>
<p>Will file an issue in <a class="mention" href="/u/sorentwo" rel="nofollow">@sorentwo</a>’s Oban repo once I can find a way to replicate.</p> 
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								<p>Hey <a class="mention" href="/u/mattei" rel="nofollow">@mattei</a> as a couple of notes, please always copy and paste text instead of using screenshots. Those screenshots are barely visible on my screen due to resolution / saturation.</p>
<p>Secondly, when you say “hot reloads” are you referring to development code reloading, or are you using OTP hot reloading in production?</p> 
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								<p>Fixed up! I meant development hot reloads, yes.</p> 
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								<p>Gotcha, yeah I mean with development reloads crashes of background processes are pretty normal, code is getting loaded and unloaded without regard for whether there are live processes using that code. If that’s the only time this is happening I wouldn’t worry about it.</p> 
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								<p>In that case, is there any way to exclude Oban from hot reloads?</p> 
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								<p>No, the whole VM is unloading the code that was there before, and then loading the new compiled code. The best thing to do is just let Oban retry the job after the crash.</p> 
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								<p>Okay, thanks! The next big question is debugging why requests start stalling under load, but I figure that might be related to Postgres.</p> 
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								<p>I believe I’ve found the cause of the request stalls: Postgrex is exiting in the client.</p>
<pre data-code-wrap="elixir"><code class="lang-elixir">SELECT count('*') FROM (SELECT se0."id" AS "id" FROM "events" AS se0 LEFT OUTER JOIN "subscribers" AS ss1 ON ss1."id" = se0."subscriber_id" WHERE (ss1."user_id" = $1) LIMIT $2) AS s0 [1, 10001]
[info] Sent 200 in 41ms
[info] Postgrex.Protocol (#PID&lt;0.548.0&gt;) disconnected: ** (DBConnection.ConnectionError) client #PID&lt;0.9955.4&gt; exited
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<p>Not sure what’s causing it. A Google search says there might be trouble with some plugs. I’ll check my scustom plugs and see if I’m doing anything crazy.</p> 
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