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								<p>Very detailed explanation. Seems that the existing system is complex enough so i suppose you have researched enough to decide to go with Elixir. Of course, as i see in your case you need to work in smaller devices (hence nerves and Grisp).</p>
<p>So if i may ask and from reading your comment, do i understand correctly that you want to replace almost all the current system’s functionalities to run in the BEAM? And also, if we are talking about a low resources device, are you confident it could run <em>cold</em> ? (meaning from the point of view of resources).</p>
<p>Last but not least, since you are researching in a similar field, have you found any efforts from the Elixir community that could help someone advance faster? I mean if you have found some guidelines, system design techniques using the OTP and leveraging the BEAM? Or is this specific field a bit of uncharted for the moment being from the Ecosystem’s side ?</p> 
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								<p>I believe SNMP may only be popular in certain industries - the BEAM implementation is (presumably) because Ericsson used/uses it, and I’ve heard about major cable-TV operations controlling set-top boxes remotely with it.</p> 
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								<p>Do you think Elixir memory usage would be a problem? If you are worried about that then to my understanding Go usually uses more memory.</p> 
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								<p>I really have to conduct tests for that. For a simple system that only has READ functionality and then handles the data (persist, send to MQ, etc) although i have not experience in Elixir/BEAM, i do not believe the RAM would not be sufficient.</p>
<p>As i think it so far, the data must be handled in batches and asynchronously and live for a short time, hence my belief for low RAM usage in this part. When i was working in the past with Node.js this part was very low consuming, it was the handling from the TS DB that would raise Errors, and i should raise the V8 memory allowance.</p>
<p>My concerns about the memory have to do with the fact that if the prototype would be successful, i would have to build a lot more apps under BEAM. Tasks, data handling, network communications, if possible (not even sure if it is) some kind of stream pre-processing so there lies the reason for feeling insecure regarding this.</p>
<p>On the other hand as we discussed above, in case of Go (not Ergo) i should feel a lot more confident with 8GBs of RAM and 4 cores but still, i should build almost everything myself, plus one more DevOps to help me on the fault-tolerance and orchestration part.</p> 
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<p>Yes I did. (Go was also on the list). I do not see any system out there coming even close to Elixir/OTP/Nerves. Only drawback is: small community, dynamically typed (but there is sth <a href="https://gleam.run/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">gleaming</a> at the end of the tunnel).</p>
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<p>Yes, it will be a complete rewrite. But as I said, fast-hard-realtime stuff has to be in C. But Elixir is not the problem here, but Linux. So it also has to be on a separate microcontroller. (Which we could drop when using Erlang under RTEMS, then we could most likely also drop the the C code and use Erlang, not sure).</p>
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<p>I do not know what “run cold” means.<br>
The IMX6ULL will have enough resources to handle our requirements.<br>
The server just has to handle the smart-home traffic of one house. That is about 1 frame/sec. Most of it is KNX which has 9600bps.</p>
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<p>Last but not least, since you are researching in a similar field, have you found any efforts from the Elixir community that could help someone advance faster? I mean if you have found some guidelines, system design techniques using the OTP and leveraging the BEAM? Or is this specific field a bit of uncharted for the moment being from the Ecosystem’s side ?</p>
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<p>I read Elixir in Action, which is a great book and a great starting point if you have some experience. Then I started to implement the KNX stack - and failed. But I was put back on track by this great response from Sasa Juric: <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/the-genserver-from-hell-needs-some-refactoring/38245/8" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">The GenServer from hell (needs some refactoring) - #8 by sasajuric</a></p>
<p>Core point is, that when using a functional language you have to structure your code <strong>and data(!)</strong> differently, here I followed the advise to implement the <em>functional core, imperative shell pattern</em>.</p>
<p>When coming from JS, you’ll (like me) have some trouble adjusting to functional programming. But I’m sure its worth it.</p> 
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								<p>Thanks for clarifications. Yes i am also coming from JS so some simple stuff for functional programmers are a bit more tough to understand and really apply them in practice.</p>
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<p>Run cold meaning not running in high % of cpu/ram, sorry this is how i personally call it <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=15" title=":stuck_out_tongue:" class="emoji" alt=":stuck_out_tongue:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> .</p>
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<p>I think that your case as well described is a bit more tough but i see now completely the reasons that you want to follow the Elixir/OTP/Nerves way.</p> 
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<p>How many would that be?<br>
Modbus over RS-xxx has 38400bps afaik. You could connect loads of those to a 4 Core machine.</p>
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<p>In my prototype i plan to have 5 simulated controllers (1 S7, 1 Emerson, etc, etc) but after a short discussion with a colleague he told me that we should prepare for up to 150 masters per topology. To be honest when i heard that i freaked out a bit but that’s life.</p>
<p>And after saying that, now comes the reason that i researched Elixir/Erlang/BEAM of its dynamic nature. Simply because my colleague explained to me that it is not sufficient to just statically apply a configuration and “talk” to the controllers, the even more difficult thing is to have a dynamic way of identifying, connecting and receiving data from a newly connected controller for example.</p> 
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