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								<p>Just to keep everyone informed</p>
<p><strong>To be super clear</strong><br>
I fully understand and respect Chris’ rejection. He just doesn’t want anyone spilling time so he was quick to respond.</p>
<p><strong>The rejection</strong><br>
The rejection was based on the commit and example code published.</p>
<p>The PR did not yet include support for multi favicon links nor some other features, as it was not final code yet. I used a ‘draft PR’ which GitHub says “is meant for discussion, not review”  just to make sure the ‘we are working on this idea already’ would be represented at GitHub too and discussion about code could take place there.</p>
<p>So Chris was right the published code at that time could be done with 10 lines of primitives and -based on that- changing Phoenix codebase should not happen.</p>
<p><strong>Future</strong><br>
Currently I see 4 options.</p>
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<li>Write a blog post how it’s done with primitives</li>
<li>Write a helper lib/files requiring manual changes in Javascript files.</li>
<li>Write a lib which solely relies on Phoenix so it’s a ‘add to mix dep’ and go.</li>
<li>Challenge the rejection with the <em>improved</em> ‘include in Phoenix Liveview’ code and description why Chris’ solution won’t work (enough)</li>
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<p>When option 3 is viable, it’s probably gonna be 3.</p>
<p>While the code for 4 is ready for a challenge, the challenge won’t happen until the pro’s and cons of <em>all</em> the options are clear and comparable.</p>
<p><strong>So far</strong><br>
So far I have the code for 2 and 4 (they share most lines). Will make an attempt at 3 this weekend, should be quite straight forward.</p>
<p>One way or another we will have dynamic multi-link favicons in our Phoenix Live View apps; so just subscribe to this topic, wait and relax <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I like your approach of respecting others current vision but not stop until succeed.<br>
Remember, great innovation always starts like that as in the beginning the benefits don’t overweight complexity or not immediate convenience but as soon as from one feature you scale-up to 7 and optimise your code, then current perception will change towards your approach.<br>
Do you remember how LiveView started? a library called Drab…that was considered by some strange <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Well the good kind of strange but too far from complete.<br>
I really like your idea and positive energy on it.</p> 
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<p>I am very familiar with the concept; it has been a major factor in my largest projects.</p>
<p>Some of my projects really failed, <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/how-to-get-name-of-calling-module-and-or-function/14539" rel="nofollow">never made it into a lib</a> or became unneeded before publishing (Hex got a new dependency solver)</p>
<p>But the ones that became large always had (fair or unfair) criticism at the start. The moment the person I looked up to rejected the idea.</p>
<p><strong>Releases4U</strong><br>
“Your website will remain small and will eventually disappear”. - The competitor when I launched my website.</p>
<p>After a year or so, we outgrew them. Moderators from their forum moved to ours because of the ‘nice atmosphere’ and the website became internationally known.</p>
<p><strong>SuperRepo</strong><br>
“It’s technically impossible to create a repository containing all addons for XBMC (now Kodi red.). It’s a stupid plan and I don’t trust you” - One of the addon repo maintainers of Kodi</p>
<p>Actually I could, and it even had the first webbrowsable index of addons. It has run stable for many years, fully automized. It has been used by millions.</p>
<p>Fun fact: SuperRepo’s redirector/mirror manager is written in Elixir! Needing a highly scalable and stable redirector I ended up using Elixir and kept using it for almost every project since. The Elixir redirector formed a self healing multi-node cluster. It replaced a redirector written in Go and since has not caused any outage, memory usage is a flat low line. Too bad the ‘self healing’ was never needed in production….</p>
<p><strong>Dynamic Favicons</strong><br>
So this one got rejected once…………</p>
<p>……..millions playing multiplayer Doom looking a 16x16 pixels favicon​<img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong><br>
When you think you have a good idea, don’t give up easily. Just make it better.</p> 
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<p>It’s gonna be 3 I guess.</p>
<p>Took some time to explore the problem domain a little further. As a result, I will create multiple libs all targeted at manipulating the static head.</p>
<p><strong>Phoenix Live Head</strong><br>
Low level lib which includes functions to manipulate the head of the page incl. generic Javascript. It also takes care of minimizing data over the wire. The other libs depend on it, direct usage will be discouraged.</p>
<p><strong>Phoenix Live Favicon</strong><br>
Lib which supports dynamic favicons! It will include a helper function to cover some exotic use cases, but will mainly be used with the HTML link element(s).</p>
<p><strong>Phoenix Live Metadata</strong><br>
This one is a convenience lib which can be used pre-production (on production it is harmful!). It updates the metadata in the head for easy inspection.</p>
<p><strong>Phoenix Live -other head element-</strong></p>
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								<p><span class="mention">@all</span>: Please post your planned/envisioned use case(s) for Live Favicons!</p>
<p>It might influence the design of public functions and requirements for the core lib.</p> 
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								<p><strong>Update on this project</strong><br>
Still work in progress. Due to some life-events work was delayed. Had some time last evening to draft the first raw outlines of above mentioned libs. Works well. The main focus points at this moment are:</p>
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<p>The Live Head lib seems to work well and supports all (and more) functions currently in Live Favicon. Most work went into reset-functionality to set an element to it’s initial state and minimizing data over the wire (truth be told: for the use case it’s a bit over-engineered but was nice to practice…you never know if someone ever will use LiveFavicon for their 2 million websockets blog post ;))</p>
<p>Next: The Live Favicon lib. It supports the initial use cases already, but I will add a few extra convenience functions to mimick LiveView.JS. And of course docs!</p>
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								<p>Just to build up some tension</p>
<p>Monday I’ll leave for a non-digital holiday trip. I will be gone for 2 weeks. So tomorrow the first version of Phoenix Live Favicon should be released!</p>
<p>Won’t have time to add a test suite and docs will be a bit rough so it’s gonna be a “Works for me” / “You are holding it wrong” release. But should be enough to collect some feedback and/or pull requests.</p> 
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								<p><strong>Phoenix Live Favicon 0.1.0</strong><br>
The first version is up!</p>
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Didn’t have time to add a test suite and docs will be a bit rough so it’s a “Works for me” / “You are holding it wrong” release. Really would like to see feedback and/or pull requests when I get home!</p>
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								<p>Phoenix Live Head will probably be renamed to Phoenix Live Root and be more public as it currently is, as a new use case has submerged. (End personal note)</p> 
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