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<p>What we could do in Elixir itself is to keep a list of the functions in its standard library that are pure. Erlang also keeps a similar list for its standard library and inlines those. WDYT?</p>
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<p>Yeah, I am using Erlang’s list, but unfortunately, <code>:erl_bifs</code> covers only <code>:erlang</code> module. I didn’t know about list of pure Elixir functions, I’ll grep the Elixir sources then, thanks for the tip!</p>
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<p>We can make this generally applicable but it is worth keeping in mind that each inlined modules becomes a compile-time dependency, and enlarging the compile time graphic can have huge impacts on performance</p>
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<p>I didn’t quite get what you meant.</p>
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<p>It is also not possible to know if something is pure or not when calling Erlang functions (unless we have an FFI layer where you also explicitly declare those).</p>
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<p>Well, it depends on these Erlang functions. If abstract_code for the function can be fetched, it can be analyzed for purity and safety. If the abstract_code is not present, or the function is a NIF/BIF stub, we can ask a user to provide the value for a trait, or just assume the worst (impurity or unsafety)</p> 
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<p>Yes, that’s true, but right now I’ve decided to rely on abstract code, since I already have an abstract code translator. Plus, this is a foundation for applying Tria to Erlang projects. However, I’ve planned Erlang support only for the third iteration</p> 
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<p>We would need to build such a list but I guess it is worth it? <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/thinking.png?v=15" title=":thinking:" class="emoji" alt=":thinking:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>If A inlines code from B, every time B changes now A has to recompiled. This has a compilation time cost. Perhaps inlining should be enable for production (think -O3).</p> 
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<p>I don’t know if it will be useful anywhere except Tria <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/sweat_smile.png?v=15" title=":sweat_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":sweat_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>Ahhh, yes, that’s true and I came up with several solutions and chose the solution with separating code into contexts.</p>
<p>Modules will be divided into groups, and each module group will be joined and compiled into separate module. Inlinings between groups won’t be possible.</p>
<p>So, the problem is to divide modules into groups. Right now Tria compiles everything into one group (called <code>TriaGlobalContext</code>) And my ideas for this are</p>
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<p>The goal would be to start doing some of those optimizations in Elixir too. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Well, it might be an issue when someone recompiles the project in runtime. For example, <code>Patch</code> project allows recompilation of Elixir’s modules, and this code might be broken</p> 
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								<p>I would argue it is fine for Elixir to work under the assumption its root modules are not being changed. After all, if you replace any Elixir module and change its behavior, then any part of Elixir may break.</p> 
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