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								<p>I think this is the same argument revolves about no-code solutions, a lot of solutions you build don’t have to be made from scratch and can be solved either at a higher level or by something that was already built, a simple example would be a system like node-red, because in most cases the defaults it provides are more than enough for you to get going.</p>
<p>Programming languages are for these fine grained requirements you have, where you can control everything starting from concurrency and ending with memory management, and in itself AI tool tries to abstract away having this fine grained control over the code.</p> 
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<p>And finally, having something generate bigger scaffolds for you comes with the severe disadvantage that you might not understand that initial code and then you’ll lose more time <em>first</em> trying to understand it and <em>then</em> actually extending it or even using it on a basic level.</p>
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<p>We have an adage: “Do it slowly, I’m in a hurry”</p> 
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<p>They can’t “understand” code, even the one they generated.</p>
<p>ChatGPT is a generator. It’s not a refactoring tool.</p>
<p>All real code and projects must be refactored, even if only to add one small feature.</p> 
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								<p>For those saying the code generated isn’t good quality or can’t refactor, or is only for boilerplate:</p>
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<p>It hasn’t even been out for a year yet. What will it be like in 2 years? 5 years?</p>
<p>And they just launched for businesses recently. It is coming!</p>
<p>We should at least make sure that Elixir is part of the generated code story. Otherwise we’ll have to debug python/javascript (or whatever language someone generated). I’d rather debug Elixir.</p> 
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								<p>This reminds me of these ads: “it clears 99% of all bacteria”.</p>
<p>Moreover there is this question about such tools, github copilot was trained on open-source code that is not all licensed to be operated on private projects, and this is applicable to all AI tools that steal data from random places.</p> 
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<p>Right… everyone is like “Oh it’s like 95% correct.” So who’s going to debug the incorrect 5%?</p>
<p>Maybe there is some value in writing very consistent and predictable code, even if it’s not 100% correct, because the consistency/predictability is easier to debug.</p>
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<p>Just like me!</p>
<p>Seriously: all these “it produces bad code” arguments. Did you ever have to review code?</p>
<p>We will see what happens, I’m sure it will be disruptive.</p> 
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								<p>Specific AI that would review your whole codebase and find all problems would be really helpful. I don’t think these generic ones will be proficient enough any time soon and my understanding co-pilot is not designed to that at all. Also having AI to understand concurrency to catch all those problems might not be a trivial task.<br>
But one problem I see is that how can AI know the design spec to know in some cases something is actually wrong with your code. Because code could look like it’s working fine but according spec that is not included in the code something is wrong. I think this problem is much harder to crack than it looks from the surface.</p> 
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<p>I assume you’re just being funny here because yes, professionally speaking you have to review and understand code much more than you have to write it.</p>
<p>Writing is the much easier part.</p>
<p>Nobody is stopping you from using these tools. By all means, go wild with them. We do have to warn you however: just having a bucket load of code you didn’t write – and it mostly works – will hurt you when you have to evolve it at one point. That’s all really.</p> 
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								<p>Your posts reads like “many people tried it hence it must be good”. Not sure where’s the actual argument.</p> 
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