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								<p>Totally agree. I wish there was another competitor for Phoenix, focused on stability more maybe? Or maybe developer happiness? Phoenix is cool, but personally quite often it frustrates me and the example you provided is a good example of why.</p>
<p>I know that there is Ash, but it looks like one needs to do a paradigm shift or something to work with it.</p> 
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								<p>Let’s remember that LiveView is not at v1.0 yet.  This means frequent breaking changes with each release, but that is to be expected.  It’s annoying for now, but we’re almost there.</p>
<p>The default generators, as I understand it, are more geared towards learning than they are meant to be used by experienced users.  If you are coming as an absolute beginner to web dev, as is OP, then every concept is going to be new and may as well throw streams in there.  If you don’t agree, though, that is good feedback!  But it’s not fair to claim that the authors aren’t focused on developer happiness or aren’t working toward stability.</p> 
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								<p>Everybody cares about their own problems and expect everything to be handed to them.</p>
<p>Chris and other members invested a substantial amount of time and effort to get to this, literally years of hard word. Everybody whines about some small details, but show me an alternative that is as powerful as phoenix and liveview currently are.</p> 
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<p>I think that’s the crux of the problem, or at least one of them, right here.</p>
<p>Have you followed <a href="https://elixir-lang.org/getting-started/introduction.html" rel="nofollow">Elixir’s official guides</a>, top to bottom?</p>
<p>People skipping those and jumping into Phoenix is sadly a classic mistake. When you learn something as new there should not be shortcuts.</p>
<p>Many bonus points if you have gotten at least partially through <a href="https://exercism.org/tracks/elixir" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Elixir’s Exercism track</a>.</p>
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<p>You already got a few good answers, I’d only ask you this: what are your favorite areas? F.ex. if you like education you can try and make an itinerary / schedule system for students and professors.</p> 
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