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								<p>Indeed, but since this was built by <a class="mention" href="/u/chrismccord" rel="nofollow">@chrismccord</a> and his team, you can always ask them and they will be able to give you support. Ease of integration is a selling point for this solution.</p> 
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								<p><a href="http://rtt.fly.dev" rel="nofollow">http://rtt.fly.dev</a> launches a flame every 10 min from each region:<br>
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								<p>Apologies, my last post might have come over the wrong way. I didn’t mean to say that <a href="http://Fly.io" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Fly.io</a> was slower than you presented, Chris. I was only trying to say that starting any machine can fluctuate e.g. if the controller starting it has to download a very big container image.<br>
Answering the initial question is definitely much harder on Kubernetes because it probably varies much more.</p> 
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								<p>No worries at all –  I didn’t take it that way <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Start times fluctuate for sure based on what docker image layers are cached locally or not. On fly, machine creates will favor a host with the current image cached if that host has available capacity, falling back to pulling from a region registry. Also one option for a faster FlyBackend would be to precreate the machines and then stop (or suspend) them. Then growing the flame pool is a machine start instead of create, which would bring starts down to 500ms. I assume the k8s orchestrator is doing something along these lines.</p>
<p>I have avoided this so far on the FlyBackend because it requires more orchestration and failsafes to avoid orphaning resources, and the cold boots are Fast Enough™ . That said, with the new machine suspend features we can technically have a machine back up and running sub 100ms. I still favor the cold creates for simplicity, but I would be open to an option like <code>eager: true</code> which precreates the fly machines if folks really want it.</p> 
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