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								<p>Mainly, I am interested in creating a cluster (in EB or K8s) which auto scales (vertically) based on demand. But i find you comments interesting with regard to sharing states using either <a href="https://github.com/phoenixframework/dns_cluster" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">DNS cluster strategy</a> or <a href="https://github.com/supabase/libcluster_postgres" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Postgres cluster strategy</a>.</p>
<p>I have read in the topic and all examples I see display in UI the number of nodes connected. That is fine but I am looking for real life use cases. When would sharing data between nodes becomes significant ? Would be happy to learn more about real life use cases and examples. Thank you.</p> 
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								<p>Ok, I’m going to give you an example… I first noticed this problem with EB in a project that uses the <a href="https://github.com/pow-auth/pow" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Pow Auth</a> library. Pow uses ETS to cache user credentials when you log in, so while using EB, if nodes are not in a cluster what happens is that the request comes through the load balancer to a given node, this node tries to auth the user, and it successfully does so, after that it tries to redirect the authenticated user to the app; when the redirect happens, the requests goes through the load balancer again and it might end up hitting another node that might not have the credentials cached in ETS. When this happens, the node (which doesn’t have information about the credentials) is going to negate the auth attempt and redirect the user again, and the whole thing starts over from the load balancer requesting the autoscaled nodes in an infinite cycle of auth attempts and redirects. What you want to solve this is using a distributed store like Mnesia and making the nodes talk to each other so they can share the cached information.</p> 
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								<p><a class="mention" href="/u/thiagomajesk" rel="nofollow">@thiagomajesk</a> I just wanted to share this with you and community. There is a small library that can be used to to run <code>Mnesia</code> inside <code>Kubernetes</code>. I have already implemented it and yes the <code>pods</code> are sharing a <code>Mnesia</code> database.</p>
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								<p>Out of curiosity, why do you want auto-scaling? In my experience it’s rarely actually needed, even for many medium to large scale apps. If cost is a concern, the time you spend building and managing auto-scaling will often far outweigh the cost of 1 or 2 small to medium servers running unnecessarily.</p>
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								<p>I am looking for horizontal (sorry I made a mistake earlier), yes by adding machines. As for your thoughts, I agree, but thought it would be nice to be in the safe side. As for now, by now <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> I have managed to set things up both on AWS and Kubernetes at Linode. So, the tools are ready to be implemented in a project of mine in near future. Thank you.</p> 
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<p>Also, If you are using automatic autoscaling and you have shared state for stuff like authentication (using ETS for instance), you might get all sorts of problems because the autoscaled instances are not aware of each other.</p>
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<p>I will be using <code>JWT</code> authentication, so I guess there will be no issues due to lack of a shared state between the instances. Any shared data, I will simply put inside a SQL database accessible by all instances.</p> 
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<p>EB does support exposing multiple ports, here is an example using <code>nginx</code> ..</p>
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<p><code>nginx.conf</code> should have of course two server definitions: one listening on port <code>80</code> and one on port <code>7070</code>.</p>
<p>And if access is needed from external internet to those two <code>nginx</code> processes, this can be done by configuring the <code>processes</code> and <code>rules</code> of the <code>elastic load balancer</code>, here is an example, path-based [can be also host-based]:</p>
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<p>That been said, I still have no idea how this can help in creating a shared environment for multiple Phoenix applications running in multiple EC2 instances within the auto-scale EB environment. I guess, maybe, since they all run in same local subnet (VPC), maybe, create another small instance (not related to EB) and that all others subscribe to it via <code>Mnesia</code> by their private IP addresses on the local subnet? And thus share some common store ..</p> 
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								<p>Hi! I haven’t touched EB in quite a while, so good to know this is supported now… I remember getting in touch with AWS support back in the day and this was a platform limitation at the time (although documentation said otherwise).</p> 
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<p>Using this:</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/supabase/libcluster_postgres" class="onebox" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://github.com/supabase/libcluster_postgres</a></p>
<p>Can be an easier solution to connect the different instances, instead of using for example DNS strategy. What do you think?</p> 
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								<p>That’s the one I mentioned earlier in the thread, but I haven’t tested it… I don’t have any projects where I’m using EB for the time being, but If you manage to make it work, please share the details with us. I do imagine it would be somewhat easier than hustling with AWS infra at least, cheers!</p> 
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