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<p>I’ve done something similar.  Around 2017 I got Lenovo ThinkStation; this was a system that had “umph”… but was an older model close to not being sold anymore so was relatively cheap.  I put some after-market upgrades in and that box continues to serve me very, very well.  Right now I’m running dual Xeons with 10 physical cores each and 192GB RAM.  Just like you describe, to not be limited when running VMs, concurrently running various workloads, or working well with largish data is something I’d have a hard time giving up at this point.</p>
<p>There are only really two issues with this buy big/hold long approach so far: vendors can put arbitrary constraints on you which can mess with your day.  I do a lot of business type work and so I run with Windows 10 using WSL for most dev… but Windows 10 is effectively EOL and there is no upgrade path because my hardware is old enough not to support the correct TPM versions.  Other equipment I want to use is made for compatibility with newer hardware and doesn’t mix well with my old workstation; I upgraded my monitor to a an ultrawide a year or so ago and it doesn’t want to work well with my older workstation (part of this is just their firmware isn’t any good, but still… )</p>
<p>I also use a laptop (Surface Book 3), but the workstation is my main axe.</p> 
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								<p>And this is why a mac laptop has a upper hand when it comes to battery IMO, compared to other vendors (not sure when they’ll have a tight competition). Maybe system76, framework, dell, etc. with a linux distro installed can be comparable. Forced to buy m1 air because my x240 (secondhand bought, used for 5yrs) somehow complains alot with containers <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/joy.png?v=15" title=":joy:" class="emoji" alt=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I upgrade just because I want not cause I have a strong need.. burnt a lot of money on apple hardware over the years.<br>
My computers usually survive 2-3 before I want a new one.</p> 
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								<p>My last 2 upgrades were MacBooks Pro 2013 → 2018 → 2024. The main reason was always the same - the fans were unbearably noisy <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/grinning_face.png?v=15" title=":grinning_face:" class="emoji" alt=":grinning_face:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> (even after cleaning). Overall the computer was simply getting too slow, overheating, and I was usually running out of SSD space.</p>
<p>Now I moved to M3 with just a modest upgrade from 32GB RAM to 36, as RAM didn’t seem to be the bottleneck, and I hope to keep this machine for next 5 years again.</p> 
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<p>That’s undeniable, it’s just that in my entire life and career I count a grand total of two meetings during which I wished my laptop lasted longer. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/person_shrugging.png?v=15" title=":person_shrugging:" class="emoji" alt=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>As mentioned upthread, I’ll still buy a refurbished M-series MacBook in the next 1-3 years because they are lightweight and have amazing displays (and yes the battery helps) but for work it’ll mostly be a thin client remoting to more serious machines. Their main appeal to me is how lightweight they are and I know that I’ll start traveling more and work in different conditions so the MacBook will have its chance to shine there.</p>
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<p>My iMac Pro and the Linux AMD 5500U laptop both have 2TB SSDs. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Using a company Macbook Pro, which is replaced every 4 years. But I refuse. It still works good enough. Apples quality control has lost it though; butterfly keyboards, screen management bugs. It ain’t the Apple anymore which guaranteed quality.</p>
<p>My father runs Windows 11 on a machine with 4 gig RAM and a few more swap. It’s build a decade ago, new RAM costs a fortune cause it has to come from a museum…but it does not crash. Credits to Microsoft in that regard.</p> 
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								<p>As much as I like to try and stay away from world-domination companies, Apple is my guilty pleasure that flies in the face of that <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/man_shrugging.png?v=15" title=":man_shrugging:" class="emoji" alt=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">  I own a <em>bunch</em> of Apple stuff.  They almost lost me there for a bit but then backtracked on some of their truly horrid ideas: keywords with zero-travel <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/rage.png?v=15" title=":rage:" class="emoji" alt=":rage:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">, full-sized left/right arrow keys <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/nauseated_face.png?v=15" title=":nauseated_face:" class="emoji" alt=":nauseated_face:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">, touchbar <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/face_vomiting.png?v=15" title=":face_vomiting:" class="emoji" alt=":face_vomiting:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">, ditching magsafe <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/woozy_face.png?v=15" title=":woozy_face:" class="emoji" alt=":woozy_face:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> (though my M1 Air does not have it, unfortunately).</p>
<p>I also probably shouldn’t say this out loud but I actually like—even prefer—chicklet keyboards.  I made an honest effort to go back to mechanical but it just didn’t do it for me.</p>
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<p>This is what I’ve always found too - it’s the fans that start getting noisy or fail before anything else.</p>
<p>Did you try applying new thermal paste too?</p>
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<p>One of the comments:</p>
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<p>Well worth it. 3.5 hours to complete. Macbook is near silent / silent now. I used Thermal Grizzley Kryonaut paste $30, liberally applied with the included spatula spreader applicator. Interestingly, the fan is now quieter even when running at the same RPM.</p>
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<p>Mind you the same commenter does go on to say:</p>
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<p>I’m a previous computer repair tech (20 years ago), I had all of the appropriate tools. Bottom line, I was lucky it booted back up. So many things could’ve gone wrong. Dozens of tiny connectors need to be perfect. I highly recommend the magnetic mat. The phillips head screws in the fan were seized and I needed to clean the fan with a brush and 60psi compressed air, after it was removed from the computer. Beware if you’re not comfortable working wit tiny parts, maybe recruit a nerd’s help. Thanks How-FixIT!</p>
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								<p>I highly discourage doing that.</p>
<p>Even though macbooks are 100x times easier to work on than their phones or tablets, in a matter of seconds you can either short something on the board, break one of those extremely fragile connectors or break the cooling pipe entirely (the cooling pipe should not be bent under any circumstances), resulting in you either trashing the device to point of no return, or searching later for local shops that have donor parts to repair your device.</p>
<p>If you feel that opening and changing the thermal paste is the only way, then find someone local who does phone repairs and ask them to do it for a couple of bucks.</p> 
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