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<p>What do you do with the old machines? Trade-in?</p>
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<p>I put them in a pretty little stack <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/see_no_evil.png?v=15" title=":see_no_evil:" class="emoji" alt=":see_no_evil:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">  My last intel machine I gave a way to someone that needed it <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
Previousely I always aimed for the most powerful laptop I could get since I liked the idea of being able to take it with me… but in reality it just sat docked to a big monitor at home most of the time, so I have been rethinking my computing strategy.<br>
I got a M3 Air as my portable laptop now, and the 14" M1 Max is now permanently docked at home…it will be replaced by something stationary when the time comes.</p> 
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								<p>I think it was about 7,500 Aussie dollars just for the box, which isn’t a huge amount more than the MacBook <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/sweat_smile.png?v=15" title=":sweat_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":sweat_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">.</p> 
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<p>Coincidentally, I was working on a site just recently and discovered a Dell E173FPF, which according to a brief search, launched some time around 2013. It was still going!</p>
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								<p>That’s cute. I have a 17" VGA monitor as my second screen right now. It’s a Gateway product I bought in 2006 or 2007 (just before the company went poof).</p> 
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<p>It’s definitely not silent, but ultimately not too bad actually; there are mitigating factors many of which are simply due to form factor differences.  The workstation itself (tower form factor) is behind things like the monitor which dampens the sound a bit (unlike a laptop being directly in front of you).  I could go further to dampen sound, but for me its not really necessary.</p>
<p>Also, the fans are larger and can move more air at lower RPMs, so the sound frequency and amplitude is quite a bit lower than most laptop fans; so their noise is not very “whiney” like a lot of laptop fans can be.  The fans are on all the time, but only rarely do they spin up above their lowest running RPMs.  This means there’s a typically persistent white noise like hum in the background with some emphasis on the midrange, but attention on it fades away pretty quickly since it’s constant, not variable.</p>
<p>But… earlier in my career, my desk was in data center server room… so I got use to the hum of fans.  Also, I use cherry MX green key-switches on my keyboard… I can’t say noise avoidance is high for me.</p> 
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<p>I powered it down, went to sleep, and when I came back to it, it never powered up again. I didn’t forget it connected to the outlet or anything, it just died and Apple support was like “we need to send it to the US to repair it and it takes 2 months”, to which I said “no, I want my money back”.</p> 
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<p>Yep, travel and hot+humid!</p> 
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								<p>I use both MacBook Air M1 8GB and Dell Inspiron 5559 - 16GB RAM running Ubuntu i3wm</p>
<p>Tbh, if I have to compare performance side of things my 8 years old Dell machine performance better than MacBook. Yeah, Dell laptop has bit of heating issue but can be easily solved by putting on top of cooling pad or something.</p>
<p>Another issue is every winter there will be a pile of ants live inside my Dell laptop. No, not because of snacks nearby. This is a global issue. You can Google “Dell laptop ants problem”</p>
<p>On the other hand, with M1 there is a huge kernel panic issue after upgrading it to Sonomo.</p>
<p>From my view, Mac is hyped as productivity machine.</p> 
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<p>I have yet to find evidence of the global spontaneous generation of ants in Dell computers <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/joy.png?v=15" title=":joy:" class="emoji" alt=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Seems to be a big enough of a problem for an entomologist to write an article about it  <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/ant.png?v=15" title=":ant:" class="emoji" alt=":ant:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/scream.png?v=15" title=":scream:" class="emoji" alt=":scream:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> <a href="https://howtomurderpests.com/get-rid-of-ants-in-laptop" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">3 Easy Ways To Get Rid Of Ants In Laptop At Home</a> - hope you manage to get them out <a class="mention" href="/u/mcnaveen" rel="nofollow">@mcnaveen</a>!</p> 
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