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								<p>Perhaps a tutorial where you pick a popular elixir library, identify the relevant data structures, go over how to implement those data structures individually, then in the final section you compose those data structures into a rough version of the finished library. If each project has a defined list of prerequisite data structures the reader needs to know, they can brush up on those topics before completing the rest of the tutorial. This also allows the reader to see how the same data structure can be used in different contexts.</p>
<p>I’m not sure which library you’d choose but I’m not sure it matters that much. You wouldn’t have to handle all the edge cases of whatever you choose as it’s just a learning guide, just cover the big ideas for the problem</p> 
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<p>Tutorials in combination with exercises can be great, I think. For now I want to focus on the exercises, though, and do that one thing well.</p> 
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								<p>Maybe what you had in mind is similar to this exercise?</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/elixirland/xle-username-generator" class="onebox" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://github.com/elixirland/xle-username-generator</a></p> 
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								<p>By the way, it would also be great to get feedback on that exercise.</p> 
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<p>Is probably one of the hardest things to learn/teach in Computer Science IMHO, as most examples are small and they do not make any sense to split apart and big examples are often too complicated to teach the point. And I’ve never seen a project that implemented full on domain driven design being successfull <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/thinking.png?v=15" title=":thinking:" class="emoji" alt=":thinking:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Do you think it’s achievable?</p> 
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								<p>So, Phoenix / Elixir gives you a lot of tools to help you with breaking up big apps, there is:</p>
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<li>Phoenix Contexts /  Modules / Umbrella apps/ The fact that any file can live anywhere is great for Domain logic.</li>
<li>Phoenix pubsub for eventing / realtime communcation between parts</li>
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<p>et cetera. The core issue IMHO is the question “when should we use which part”, so that we:</p>
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<li>Don’t make things even worse (ever tried debugging an app that is strung together with Pubsubs? Sideeffects with sideeffects)</li>
<li>Do not get stuck in refactor hell (lets change the wheels on a car while driving!).</li>
<li>Don’t get stuck in a Design Pattern hell (FactoryFactoryFactory).</li>
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<p>I think you can teach all of the tools of the toolbox above, but knowing when to use what is mostly down to experience IMHO. My teacher used to call it “Navigating the swamp”.</p>
<p>Now that I think of it, you can probably make an example where you basically say “as an exercise it has been decided that in this case we will try and decrease the complexity of the app by using a Pubsub pattern”.</p>
<p>You would probably be able to create one single “complicated” example and have multiple possible solutions. Start with a SignupController that is 200 lines long.</p>
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<li>Convert it to using Background workers where possible that update the frontend using Pubsub</li>
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								<p>This is a wonderful idea. I will try some of the exercises and see how it goes <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> thanks.</p> 
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								<p>Appreciate the thoughtful response. There’s is a lot to think about in your message.</p>
<p>Just to check, are you saying (among other things)?</p>
<p>It would be great to have a learning resource that (1) teaches about realistic problems in codebases (especially complex ones), (2) how those problems relate to the tools that exist in the ecosystem, and (3) shows examples of how to implement solutions using those tools well.</p>
<p>I’m making some assumptions here, but asking to get an even better idea of your perspective because this topic is very valuable, I think.</p> 
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								<p>A more general note.</p>
<p>I’m starting start Elixirland small and simple. Setting it up fast. So it can serve as a conversation starter and something to critique.</p>
<p>My goal is to rely less on my own experiences and more on community feedback.</p> 
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