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<p>If you are using Mnesia only as a cache, why not use ETS?</p>
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<p>A couple of different reasons you might want to go with mnesia over ETS (mnesia uses ets for some of its modes).</p>
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<li>Transactions (and even distributed transactions)</li>
<li>Data persistence</li>
<li>Distribution</li>
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<p>If you don’t need any of those then of course ets will do the trick nicely</p> 
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								<p>Yes, one of the downsides:)</p>
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<li>You need to manually handle split-brain situations. There are a few well known tricks to do this with various trade-offs but at then end your application will have to handle it and decide what to do.</li>
<li>You need to keep all your data in memory. Well, you could use dets but then you have a 2GB restriction on table-size. Also there are new backends for mnesia which may solve this (level db)</li>
<li>You can use fragmented tables to handle above but your application must set this up and handle the fragments.</li>
<li>It is prone to get overloaded and handling it in distributed settings is harder than you think.</li>
<li>Slow start-up times (depending on order nodes are started mnesia may decide to copy entire tables to different nodes, this slows down startup time significantly)</li>
<li>Upgrading table definitions may be hard in a distributed setting and without stopping access to the database.</li>
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<p>All this said. Mnesia is a very battle-tested database, it is just that it requires a fair bit of skill to operate and that you know its limitation. There are some pretty big shops running mnesia as a major part of their infrastructure (Whatsapp, Klarna).</p>
<p>Why would you want to use mnesia?:</p>
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<li>You can’t get a faster database for reads as it runs in the same memory space as your erlang application. Anything else handles reads under 40 micro-seconds?</li>
<li>No impedance mismatch between erlang code and the database. You read terms straight of memory so no serialization layers and no database traffic</li>
<li>It has transactions. They are of course more limited than a proper database but not many other NoSQL databases have such good history</li>
<li>Distribution. Have its own problems of course but it is a distributed database <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></li>
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<p>Mnesia isn’t a replacement for postgresql though, It is not an RDMS and as with any other NoSQL database you must have a use case where it fits.</p> 
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								<p>Just to put my bit in:</p>
<p>I use PostgreSQL for anything and everything that needs to persist.<br>
If postgresql is slow on certain queries that I cannot really make better than I either make a materialized view inside postgresql that updates on occasion, or if I do a ton of tiny little queries per transaction that all are the same (like getting permissions across connections, websockets, etc…) then I use CacheX (with a fallback in it set to querying the database) as it has auto-timeout and removal, janitor process, and far far more, including transactions and shared retrievals (it is built on ETS of course).</p> 
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