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								<p>Congrats on the release Bart!<br>
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								<p>Is it possible to use Phoenix LiveView components within Hologram components, or vice versa? And if it isn’t, is that functionality planned for the future</p> 
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								<p>Thank you so much, <a class="mention" href="/u/jam" rel="nofollow">@jam</a>! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/blush.png?v=15" title=":blush:" class="emoji" alt=":blush:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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								<p>Thank you Sreyans! Please remember to share your feedback and updates on the forum when you start tinkering with it - I’d love to hear your thoughts!</p> 
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								<p>At the moment, such integration is not possible. Both frameworks have different architectures and paradigms. To allow using Hologram in Phoenix LiveView and vice versa, several architectural changes and integrations would need to be made in both of them.</p>
<p>While I recognize the potential benefits of such integration for Hologram’s adoption, I don’t plan to pursue this at the moment. The question remains whether it is worth the effort, or if it would be better to focus on enhancing other features of Hologram.</p> 
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<p>Hmm I guess it depends a bit on what the context api looks like. I’ve been spoiled with svelte stores and find them super convenient.</p>
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<p>Great to hear. Seems like hologram could shine for the offline-first use case. Beyond making web dev simpler, I’m interested in using hologram to make apps that feel instant.</p> 
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								<p>I took Hologram for a quick ride and am excited and curious about future developments! Already very impressive. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/heart_eyes.png?v=15" title=":heart_eyes:" class="emoji" alt=":heart_eyes:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>My pipedream (I’m mostly a backend ui dev): Without blinking an eye create or use some sort of <em>table</em> component/page with sorting, filtering, pagination, maybe some editing and what more, without relying on/fighting with <a href="https://datatables.net/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">datatables</a> or the like. Rich <em>forms</em> that interact with the server. And of course very snappy because much is offloaded to the browser.</p>
<p>To clarify: I care less about a web application being a SPA, I care more about smart and snappy  <em>web components</em> that interact with a Phoenix/Ecto backend and require little/no JS to write.</p>
<p>Do you think Hologram will eventually be (very) suitable for such things? TBH my experiences with LiveView were ok-ish but not smashing, so I’m very curious where the Hologram approach could lead to.</p>
<p>Good luck!  <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slightly_smiling_face.png?v=15" title=":slightly_smiling_face:" class="emoji" alt=":slightly_smiling_face:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>Thank you so much for trying out Hologram and for the kind words <a class="mention" href="/u/zwippie" rel="nofollow">@zwippie</a>! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/blush.png?v=15" title=":blush:" class="emoji" alt=":blush:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Your “pipedream” actually aligns perfectly with where Hologram is headed! The framework is specifically designed to make building rich, interactive UIs feel natural for backend developers while keeping things snappy.</p>
<p>Hologram manages state in the browser and handles all server communication behind the scenes, which makes it perfect for building the kind of interactive tables and forms you described. You get fast, responsive UIs while still having seamless access to your backend when you need it.</p>
<p>The best part is that you can build all of this while writing pure Elixir code - no JavaScript required!</p>
<p>While I haven’t started work on a components library yet, it’s definitely on the roadmap. I’m planning to build reusable components for common UI patterns like tables with sorting/filtering/pagination to make building data-heavy applications even easier.</p>
<p>Keep an eye on the project - I think you’ll really like where it’s going. And please feel free to share any other thoughts or feature requests you might have. This kind of feedback is super valuable in shaping Hologram’s development! <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/raising_hands.png?v=15" title=":raising_hands:" class="emoji" alt=":raising_hands:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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