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								<p>Exactly what I’ll do very soon as I’ve wanted to show other people stuff that’s in my media collection, several times this year alone. Not to mention wanting to route my traffic through the PiHole at home even when I’m out and about.</p>
<p>Just today earlier I was trying to decide between Tailscale (with the free and self-hosted Headscale controller server, so you will not be beholden to a company that might change or remove their free tier anytime), Nebula or Innernet.</p>
<p>It’s a tough choice since all 3 are pretty good. Just now reading on network CIDRs so I can understand Innernet better.</p> 
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								<p>Tailscale/wireguard do split-tunneling which the public VPN services I’ve tried in the past do not. I don’t want all my traffic over the VPN (unless thats what I do want). I just want my tailnet to be secure and inaccessible from the general internet.</p>
<p>Since my primary home ISP is Starlink, which is a CGNAT network, tailscale also takes care of relaying so I can get to my home network without issue.</p> 
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								<p>I’ve not really used a VPN before (other than for short periods) so this is very interesting Kip! <em>(I wonder if we need a dedicated thread on VPNs)</em></p>
<p>My first question is if someone just wanted to use their home internet connection as a VPN to use while abroad (for both laptop and phone), is there any meaningful difference or downside to using a VPN built into a router (so one of the ASUS ones, which I think includes wireguard) to setting up or using something else like Tailscale?</p>
<p>For my purposes it seems using the router’s built in VPN along with Apple Remote Desktop (with some iCloud syncing of things like Notes) is all I might personally need.</p>
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								<p>The typical built-in VPN servers in a router terminate a point-to-point VPN. And the typical client configuration will tunnel <em>all</em> internet traffic over the VPN. Neither of those characteristics is appealing to me.  Lastly, they require you to have a publicly routable IP address - which for Starlink (and other networks like those running fixed wireless)  do not have.</p>
<p>Wireguard overcomes most of that - other than the public IP address requirements.  Tailscale (over wireguard) takes care of all of it.  Of course you can self-configure wireguard to do what you want, and run your own relay. But even though I have reasonable network knowledge it was tricky to get it set up how I wanted - remote access, relay server, private DNS and so on. Tailscale just makes it so easy - and has client software for pretty much everything out there.  (I have no affiliation with tailscale, and I use only the free plan so far).</p> 
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								<p>And if you install <a href="https://www.asuswrt-merlin.net/about" rel="nofollow">Merlin</a> on your ASUS router you can also <a href="https://www.matthewdean.com/tailscale-on-asus-router" rel="nofollow">install tailscale</a>, Back when I had an ASUS router, I found Merlin was a much better and more flexible firmware so its a plus no matter what for me.</p> 
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<p>Mostly much smaller configurability on router-native VPN apps really. I have two Mikrotik routers and they are fairly configurable but when it comes to VPN[-like] workflows they quickly become a pain to work with. Not to mention there are a lot of ways for you to severely reduce your router’s throughput by using certain filters and/or forwards. It’s not at all obvious, in fact it’s often very obscure and downright misleading.</p>
<p>Though I’ll admit I never wanted to become a specialist in a niche software either.</p>
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<p>Same, though I can live with it. I really do want guests not to have access to my NAS though so I might abuse Tailscale’s ACLs for that. They are also a way to emulate double/triple/more tailnets as well.</p> 
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<p>I use NAS authentication for that. And strangely, I use <code>sftp</code> with authentication for guest access <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>For general guess network access I use a separate VLAN that gives them no access to local network devices (but that requires a router and switch that supports VLANS. Another reason I like Ubiquity networking gear).</p> 
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<p>That’s actually what I’d want (I won’t mind it being slower, which I understand is one of the  main downsides as the speed is dependent on the upload speeds of your home broadband) however..</p>
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<p>I don’t have one either <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/frowning.png?v=15" title=":frowning:" class="emoji" alt=":frowning:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>And if you install <a href="https://www.asuswrt-merlin.net/about" rel="nofollow">Merlin</a> on your ASUS router you can also <a href="https://www.matthewdean.com/tailscale-on-asus-router" rel="nofollow">install tailscale</a>, Back when I had an ASUS router, I found Merlin was a much better and more flexible firmware so its a plus no matter what for me.</p>
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<p>This could be the way to go for me then. I’ve been meaning to give Merlin a go just haven’t had time and didn’t really want to risk bricking my router - however it’s quite old now so less of a concern..</p> 
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								<p>Yeah, VLANs are another thing I am really not looking forward to learning how it’s done on my Mikrotik devices. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/frowning.png?v=15" title=":frowning:" class="emoji" alt=":frowning:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>And I am just not in a good place – in almost any meaning of the word – to make dramatic changes to my setup. I hear pfSense + addons is much superior to any router anywhere but… just… not now.</p> 
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								<p>Hi-- the retail chain I worked for was known for having large, trendy stores and the opening of those stores usually had a very large media event parties.  The theft happened during the party by someone working for the catering company hired for the party (and thus access to the back office areas that night).  So they were caught on the security cameras and our security department worked with the catering company to identify the culprit.  Our security department basically threatened the thief with moving forward with a prosecution which was larger than it might have normally been for that kind of theft and the thief returned it… it was a bit damaged, but worked.  Personally, I don’t remember much of anything from that night (it was a <em><em>very</em></em> good party), but I remember the bit of panic overcoming my headache the next day when I got to work.</p> 
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