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<p>I never understood this argument, what makes a tool made by a big corporation more valuable?</p>
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<p>The ideal theory is that since they are dogfooding it, their devs will make sure it’s ergonomic and useful. Whether that works or not, well… I think history mostly speaks for itself. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>Quite often it simply boils down to “<code>$TRENDY_COMPANY</code> uses <code>$THING</code>. <code>$TRENDY_COMPANY</code> is successful. I want to be successful. Therefore I will use <code>$THING</code>.”</p>
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<p>Story of 90% of all business decisions in this civilization… since forever really.</p>
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<p>The problem is that these clever solutions are, more often than not, not very maintainable.</p>
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<p>If memory serves, a number of people said that the Linux kernel just does not lend itself to fully preemptive scheduling as much as we like it to? Sorry if spouting a falsehood here, I might remember wrongly. I heard people say that some of the *BSD OS-es are doing this better and are a better target for experimenting with directly-kernel-backed features when aiming for real-time low-latency preemptively-scheduled software. I’d be surprised if this is still the case and if Linux still lags behind in this department but oh well, its kernel development is a whole different beast and usually extremely conservative…</p>
<p>If you have any links to discussions I’d be curious to go check them out.</p> 
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								<p>Linux is “owned by big tech” however. They are the major contributors. With Linus remaining project leader.</p>
<p>That’s a very good model IMHO.</p> 
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								<p>I doubt that. While they are major contributors, a certain man will not hesitate to tell them to “f*ck off” if they want to take the project in a direction he doesn’t like. Guess they are shareholders and investors at the same time.</p>
<p>It’s a great module for sure though!</p> 
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								<p>“Big tech” are both majority contributors in terms of source code being delivered by their employees, kernel maintainers, but also importantly the funding comes from them.</p>
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<p>Of course Linus can do whatever he wants, as he owns also trademarks etc. and he has demonstrated that he is able to do that perfectly well in the past. In majority of the cases it wouldn’t make sense to rebel against these stakeholders.</p>
<p>I also think this is a very good model, and especially good one with someone of personality like Linus that is very assertive (to put it mildly).</p> 
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<p>The important thing in that situation is that they don’t give him reasons to rebel – not often anyway. 95% of the time everyone is incentivized to work towards the common bigger vision.</p> 
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								<p>The copyleft license used by Linux (GPL) certainly helps in keeping the project independent too.</p>
<p>But I generally disagree with the sentiment that “big tech” is bad, or what some above expressed about lack of innovation. I think there’s space for both: start ups and big tech, and they can and do innovate on scale that couldn’t be achieved by smaller companies. For example, much of the innovations done in the AI space required ungodly amounts of money to be spent on hardware, data and other resources and it may have been done by hands of start ups like OpenAI but they were backed by “big tech”. Also, Transformers were invented in Google if I recall so there’s that too.</p>
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<p>Well, maybe they are. We’re seeing both Microsoft and Amazon already going against current US administration goals with <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/30/microsoft-vows-to-protect-europe-against-trump/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Microsoft strengthening EU data center independence from US overreach</a> and <a href="https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/29/business/white-house-calls-report-that-amazon-is-adding-a-tariff-charge-a-hostile-action/index.html" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Amazon hilariously warning users about tariffs cost</a>. Obviously they’re doing all the from the point of view of their own interests <em>but</em> that’s the beauty of capitalism.</p> 
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<p>Linux is owned by big techs (plural). On the other hand, languages are usually owned by one big tech (Google owns Go, Oracle owns Java, …)</p>
<p>Although the situation with Linux is much better than say Java because of the check and balance among the big techs, and Linus being a darn good tech visionary and leader, there is still the risk of “what happen after Linus”</p> 
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<p>The theory is simpler than that:</p>
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<p>languages are usually owned by one big tech</p>
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<p>I think it’s a mix. Python, C, C++, GCC/LLVM, PHP, JavaScript are not under control of one company, big or small.</p> 
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								<p>I think we should have zero doubt that if «big tech» (msft, amazon and google) or almost anyone of them alone REALLY wanted to get rid of linus it would just fork and voila, you now have a kernel outside his control.</p>
<p>It doesnt matter if GPL forces them to allow upstream to use the changes if they do changes that upstream does not want.</p>
<p>However Linus seems to have a laser focus on the core technology and not do too much stuff the megacorps care particularly about, so I dont think its likely to happen.</p> 
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