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<p>it could just <em>permit</em> trailing commas at the end. Both <code>[1, 2, 3]</code> and <code>[1, 2, 3,]</code> would be untouched by the formatter.</p>
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<p>Ah ok, so it’s really a question of “is it ok to mix styles of trailing vs non-trailing commas” since if the formatter doesn’t enforce it, it’s going to happen/credo rule will be needed (as touched on above).  I know that non-trailing was chosen due to the reasons <a class="mention" href="/u/lud" rel="nofollow">@lud</a> mentioned (José has mentioned this before and I had assumed that post was in the linked thread but I only read the first few posts).</p>
<p>For me the lack of trailing commas doesn’t bother me because I pretty much always put a new line whenever there is a comma separating any other than simple tokens, even it can easily fit on one line. In fact the HEEx formatter drives me nuts in that it will for someone onto one line if it’s possible to do so (I realize this comes from Prettier).  When it comes to diffs, this is way way waaaaaaaaaay more infuriating than what non-trailing commas gives you.</p>
<p>Sorting is the bigger issue for sure, but editors should be able to solve fairly easily, especially if they support treesitter.  And I suppose nowadays you can just highlight some text and say “Computer, please sort this list and reblance the commas, thx.”</p> 
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								<p>This is a good point.  I don’t run into this because I don’t format on save.  Doesn’t that drive you nuts?  The formatter has sped up a lot but it’s still pretty slow.  I would keep saving then making a change immediately only to have the formatter blow away my changes.</p> 
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								<p>Well … <code>4TB SSD</code> and <code>AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D</code> may do it’s job as formatting does not looks like slow. I also try to write <code>credo</code> and <code>formatter</code>-compatible code all the time, so I don’t had any bigger problem. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/see_no_evil_monkey.png?v=15" title=":see_no_evil_monkey:" class="emoji" alt=":see_no_evil_monkey:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I think that would be a problem with whatever is calling the formatter, not the formatter itself.</p>
<p>I use <code>coc.nvim</code> (<img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/face_vomiting.png?v=15" title=":face_vomiting:" class="emoji" alt=":face_vomiting:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> want to switch to proper LSP config but too lazy) with <code>coc-elixir</code> and format-on-save is pretty much instantaneous. Definitely not slow enough for me to make any keystrokes before it’s finished.</p> 
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<p>I do this too although one could say that that is wasted brain power worrying about formatting instead of the problem <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye.png?v=15" title=":stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:" class="emoji" alt=":stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">  I like that my editor mostly gets indentation right. There are a still a few annoying things.</p>
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<p>It’s gotten much faster since this was a problem and I haven’t tried it since.  Maybe I’ll bring it back.  Getting LSP properly configured is a whole other thing.</p> 
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								<p>I’m on a soft “no” on this topic. I wouldn’t mind, but also I don’t think Elixir needs it.</p>
<p>I disagree that it leads to more readable code though. It leads to less readable code as the comma loses it’s strong meaning of “there is another element in the least” in favours of much less meaningful “there might be another element in the list”. It does lead to better diffs for sure, but I would like to hear an argument why we should optimize for diffs in Elixir. In my experience Elixir is pretty expressive and the diffs even for relatively big chunks of changes are pretty small so having few more lines because of no trailing commas don’t hust that much.</p>
<p>I also don’t agree with simple javascriptification of Elixir (which fortunately does not echo much in this thread), i.e. saying that JavaScirpt (or Rust) have it, so Elixir needs it too. Same goes for maps shorthand. If this is the only argument for it, it shifts me from soft “no” to strong “no”.</p> 
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<p>It does lead to better diffs for sure, but I would like to hear an argument why we should optimize for diffs in Elixir.</p>
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<p>Not for Elixir, for every language: because every GIT hosting company is dragging their feet and we have no semantic diffs against canonicalized forms of the language yet. There are big-ish PRs almost every day in almost every team. Reducing humans’ cognitive load is of utmost importance. These small inconveniences compound very quickly.</p>
<p>How often do you review other people’s code?</p>
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<p>You are making a big deal out of this:</p>
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<p>Tell me with a straight face that this is an unreadable code.</p>
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<p>Anecdotal evidence. Mine says exactly the opposite.</p>
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<p>I also don’t agree with simple javascriptification of Elixir (which fortunately does not echo much in this thread), i.e. saying that JavaScirpt (or Rust) have it, so Elixir needs it too.</p>
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<p>It was a simple analogy, but you are using a bad faith argument in response. Not cool.</p>
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<p>Several times per day. What kind of patronizing question is that?</p>
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<p>I’m telling you with a straight face it’s not more readable code. Which is exactly what I said in my reply.</p>
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<p>And you are telling me you would not like less noise in a PR with +500,-350 changes?</p>
<p>If “no”, then I would find that sentiment extremely puzzling.</p>
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<p>It’s not less readable either so if this ends up being added, it will not ruin your work. Correct?</p> 
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<p>Correct - as written quite clearly in my first reply. Same as an additional diff line that adds a comma to the end of a previous line - it does not ruin my code review process. Both are nitpicky, but I spend far more time reading the actual code than reading diffs, so - if asked - I prefer to optimize for that, not for diffs.</p> 
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