Sorc96

Sorc96

I don’t see why this would be surprising. But then again, there have recently been quite a few topics where people couldn’t believe an AI would be wrong, even assuming there was a serious bug deep inside the BEAM.

Meanwhile, my only experience with LLMs has been frustration and wasted time. They complain about problems that don’t exist, offer solutions that don’t work and always assure me that I’m right, even when I present mutually exclusive options and eventually find out for myself that neither of them is correct. I can’t remember a single occasion where an AI helped me solve something that wasn’t already trivial.

Sorry for the off-topic rant, I’m just becoming more and more irritated by AI.

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Post #11
maxguzenski

maxguzenski OP

Look, I wasn’t using LLMs for anything — I actually wrote code with the behavior in question and simply didn’t remember seeing it before in Elixir (but after @sodapopcan’s reply, I remembered that nil is an atom — I had just forgotten).

So this wasn’t a case of “vibe coding.”

I asked two LLMs about it. And they were both very convincing in confidently asserting that the code should raise an error. Attached is ChatGPT’s response (it’s in Portuguese, sorry).

P.S.: I’ve been programming since 1999, and so far I haven’t been able to use the cursor for anything beyond < TAB > helping me type less. All of my attempts to use an LLM to build something more complex ended in disaster.

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Post #12
Zurga

Zurga

People are not saying you were vibe-coding, just that asking AI is not a way to establish a fact. LLMs dont work with facts or understanding, just probabilities.

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Post #13
glhrmv

glhrmv

I’ve had a coworker tell me space indentation is “better” than tab indentation because ChatGPT told them so. They were sending over screenshots of their chat messages as if The Word had decreed it so. I wouldn’t trust it much for qualitative debates either.

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Post #14
dimitarvp

dimitarvp

Please, don’t even start that meaningless bike-shedding. What a human or an LLM thinks about that is minor, not interesting and inconsequential.

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Post #15
sodapopcan

sodapopcan

Setting the topic aside, “it’s true because chat jippity told me so,” it’s still frightening. While it’s similar to “it’s true because I read it on the internet,” it’s more the personification of the fancy auto-complete that is getting to me.

Also, yes to what @Zurga said and along those lines: @maxguzenski, just to be clear, I was being sincere when I said “You sound like one of those people who actually know how to use a dynamic programming language properly” :slight_smile:

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Post #16
dimitarvp

dimitarvp

It is, but it’s also predictable, I was a teenager when I already expected it (30 years ago). There’s just something about Homo Sapiens that makes them want to believe in magic even with a mountain of evidence that it doesn’t exist.

It was only a matter of time. And, well, the time has come.

And back on topic, not checking after the LLM is a recipe for disaster. That’s also quite obvious. And for whomever it isn’t obvious, it’ll become obvious soon enough. :grin:

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